A couple of posts by people on my f-list, (whose names I won't mention because this is in no way a comment on what they said), have again got me pondering something I've been wondering for a while
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I think your situation would fail the Bechdel Test...
Good! That was my intention.
...a tool to aid analysis rather than any real analysis in and of itself...
What I've been pondering is that, like a lot of these things, it's used as so much more than that -- as some sort of 'standard'. I noticed the other day that even AO3 has a 'Passes the Bechdel test' tag!
And I have so many objections to that, I can't even begin to pin them all down. Setting aside the fact that there's a large percentage of the female population who would consider failing the Bechdel test a recommendation (chick lit, chick flicks) and, though I wouldn't want to be one, it's their choice...
My main ... gripe, I suppose the word is, is that restricting a female character's behaviour to behaviours that 'they' deem 'non-sexist' is still restricting a (female) character's behaviour (as well as the writer's creativity, and downgrading the importance of 'the story').
What actually sparked the post (which was meant to be a sort of 'Does the barber shave himself' question) was another post about Steven Moffat's being a dirty sexist (I think because River Song, having just regenerated, said, with all her normal exuberance, that she needed a mirror to see her new body).
The scene reminded me strongly of David Tennant's gleeful discovery that he had 'big hair' (which was funny because Christopher Ecclestone had had a shaven head), and I would bet the farm that that was Moffat's intention. It was very much in keeping with River Song's character, and with her status as 'a bit of a Time Lord'.
...making your villain a woman so that your detectives could pass the Bechdel test would be sexist or not depending on, you know, whether your story was sexist or not.
You know that, and I know that, but the people who allocate points for these things...
Though, actually, I was thinking more about the explosions of wank that can occur when a woman is shown in a 'non-positive' role.
If I really wanted my women to pass the Bechdel test I would make them lesbians and have them discuss getting the female hero into bed, purely to validate her status as hero :-)
Ah, it all makes sense now! And I'm pretty much in agreement. :D
If I really wanted my women to pass the Bechdel test I would make them lesbians and have them discuss getting the female hero into bed, purely to validate her status as hero :-)
I tend to find it incredibly easy to pass the Bechdel test - you just need two women/female characters and let them talk about themselves. Everyone likes talking about themselves!
Good! That was my intention.
...a tool to aid analysis rather than any real analysis in and of itself...
What I've been pondering is that, like a lot of these things, it's used as so much more than that -- as some sort of 'standard'. I noticed the other day that even AO3 has a 'Passes the Bechdel test' tag!
And I have so many objections to that, I can't even begin to pin them all down. Setting aside the fact that there's a large percentage of the female population who would consider failing the Bechdel test a recommendation (chick lit, chick flicks) and, though I wouldn't want to be one, it's their choice...
My main ... gripe, I suppose the word is, is that restricting a female character's behaviour to behaviours that 'they' deem 'non-sexist' is still restricting a (female) character's behaviour (as well as the writer's creativity, and downgrading the importance of 'the story').
What actually sparked the post (which was meant to be a sort of 'Does the barber shave himself' question) was another post about Steven Moffat's being a dirty sexist (I think because River Song, having just regenerated, said, with all her normal exuberance, that she needed a mirror to see her new body).
The scene reminded me strongly of David Tennant's gleeful discovery that he had 'big hair' (which was funny because Christopher Ecclestone had had a shaven head), and I would bet the farm that that was Moffat's intention. It was very much in keeping with River Song's character, and with her status as 'a bit of a Time Lord'.
...making your villain a woman so that your detectives could pass the Bechdel test would be sexist or not depending on, you know, whether your story was sexist or not.
You know that, and I know that, but the people who allocate points for these things...
Though, actually, I was thinking more about the explosions of wank that can occur when a woman is shown in a 'non-positive' role.
If I really wanted my women to pass the Bechdel test I would make them lesbians and have them discuss getting the female hero into bed, purely to validate her status as hero :-)
ETA Thanks, btw :-)
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If I really wanted my women to pass the Bechdel test I would make them lesbians and have them discuss getting the female hero into bed, purely to validate her status as hero :-)
I tend to find it incredibly easy to pass the Bechdel test - you just need two women/female characters and let them talk about themselves. Everyone likes talking about themselves!
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