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Obama and the Food and Drug Administration: No Credibility At All

Jun 12, 2009 20:33

So, the FDA is against teenagers killing themselves and for teenagers killing others. (I apologize for referencing LA Times: I realize the article is biased and allows only one point of view to be voiced.) It angers me further to note that those being killed have no choice in the matter. (It is clear that all human rights are an illusion when the ( Read more... )

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where's your proof? here's what i've read ... newagelink June 13 2009, 13:16:34 UTC

How do you propose Levonorgestrel works? I have been unable to find any documentation supporting your claim that it works only through preventing egg fertilization.

However, I found http://www.morningafterpill.org/how-does-it-work.html after doing a search, which acts as a hub for information that makes it pretty clear that yes, "emergency contraception" (EC) can cause an abortion and can act as "an abortion pill", as Price coined the phrase.

Apparently every pill that contains Levonorgestrel can do so. That site mentions the following study, which, after what appears to be a careful model, concludes that either there are more effects than ovulation disruption, or EC providers are overestimating (or lying about) its effectiveness in preventing pregnancy if that's the sole effect they claim: "Levonorgestrel emergency contraception: a joint analysis of effectiveness and mechanism of action." By: Mikolajczyk, Rafael T.; Stanford, Joseph B.. Fertility & Sterility, Sep2007, Vol. 88 Issue 3, p565-571, 7p; DOI: 10.1016/j.fertnstert.2006.11.178; (AN 26501874)

The study does not mention fertilization prevention, and neither does the "Plan B" site. (But the "Plan B" site doesn't mention much of anything. It's a load of garbage.)

Following the references from that page, the Plan B site has apparently changed, making it Flash-oriented (hiding URLs) and basically providing no information. All they'll say about how it works is "It follows the same techniques that have been around for 35 years to prevent pregnancy!"

So, how do you defend your position? This webpage, among others, says one of its effects is to prevent implantation, which defines it as an abortifacient.

Re: where's your proof? here's what i've read ... cutiebirdgal June 13 2009, 15:04:37 UTC

How about this- when I took the damn pill, I read the huge fold out instruction sheet, where they mention all side effects and the organic structure for crying out loud, and it told me if pregnancy has already occurred it will do nothing. Would you like the handout?

Re: documentation and meaning newagelink June 13 2009, 16:11:54 UTC

Yes, I would like to read it: Do they define "pregnancy" as starting from implantation, or starting from conception? (Politics and these abortifacient companies are pushing for the former, while science is clearly for the latter.) If their meaning is unclear, then their statement is inconclusive -- unless their unstated assumption is indeed "from implantation".

Given the ethics and importance of the question, I need to see more than "take our word for it", especially since the validity of their authority has been called into question by i) their own website and ii) that study I mentioned.

Re: documentation and meaning cutiebirdgal June 13 2009, 19:41:39 UTC

One of the things about Plan B is that it is normally taken before there is any evidence that conception has even taken place. For example, when I took it there was almost no way I could have gotten pregnant, being on birth control as well as a condom, and not even any evidence that the condom leaked- but I believed that it had, so I got one from the health center. Have I then had an abortion, technically? There really is no way to know if conception had occurred, or if it would have. Even entirely unprotected sex is not 100% likely to result in pregnancy, which I was definitely not having. So there's a good deal of ambiguity.

Re: documentation and meaning newagelink June 14 2009, 01:18:56 UTC

There are six "basic facts about pregnancy" listed at http://www.morningafterpill.org/how-does-it-work.html and #6 is "It takes a fertilized egg 5-7 days after ovulation to implant in the woman's womb." I entirely agree with you: "Plan B" is normally taken before there is any evidence of conception, for the obvious reason that we're not aware of pregnancy until after implantation...

Your story highlights one of many dangers of these pills: they are potential abortifacients (as your story demonstrates) and we don't know how many human lives are taken by them each year.

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