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neva_ivan

Leaving the debate

Feb 09, 2005 08:49

I am abandoning the debate on gay rights, which is still running on Robyrt ’s journal. I’m not abandoning it because I think I’m wrong, or I don’t think it’s important, or because I feel in any way intimidated by the “points” made by the other side. Rather I feel that I’ve said everything I have to say, several times in fact, and my responses to ( Read more... )

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gossamerfaery February 9 2005, 18:36:59 UTC

I wish that I hadn't just read that list. Those were so extremely bad that I feel like hyperventilating now! LOL I think the last one was probably the most offensive. "I'm not judging you here"!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL Oh, I'd say that person is judging a lot of people, and letting you know that they are morally superior while they're at it!!

gossamerfaery February 9 2005, 18:44:29 UTC

I just read the first comment in robyrt's journal, this line: the homosexual lifestyle is being promoted as fun and humorous (on television, for example) cracks me up. The television also portrays heterosexual lifestyles as fun and humorous. People are egocentric in that they cannot see outside of their own bias. I have heard so many people say, "Why do they have to push it on us (being gay)?" While at the same time I have to hear a heterosexual guy say "Nice tits" or grab my ass. I have to hear how hot some girl is from a hetero guy. I would say that gays could easily argue that the heterosexual lifestyle is being shoved down their throat at every turn. Anyway, I can't even read that discussion right now because it hurts my head to even try to figure out how to combat those ways of thinking. I don't understand why hating something is preferrable to just loving people for who they are.

Well bless you for trying!!! XOXO

neva_ivan February 9 2005, 18:51:34 UTC

Well, don't bless me too much... I'm getting out of control.

It's so true. People are in everyone's face about their orientation--you can't help it. If anything most gay people hold back more, because they are afraid. I don't mean that necessarily about offensive stuff, but just how I say all the time that I'm with Sean, or Sean and I went somewhere or whatever. So anyone can guess I'm with a guy. I don't do it to make a statement or anything--it's just talking about my life, and everyone should be able to do that.

gossamerfaery February 9 2005, 19:15:43 UTC

I totally agree with you. It really comes down to being able to share things in our lives with eachother. My male neighbor always gossiped to me about the men he thought were hot or that he was dating. It was not any different than my girlfriends telling me who they thought were hot and who they wanted to date. Yep, that's a good way to put it. It never used to cross my mind that people would think my gay friend was trying to push his lifestyle on them just because he talked about his daily life. *sigh*

neva_ivan February 9 2005, 18:46:27 UTC

Thanks. Don't hyperventilate, but you can see how bad it is!! It keeps pulling me in to argue more, and I just need to stop.

Sure I definitely think he's being morally superior. It's just so frustrating.

As you can see, I sort of lost my cool and posted again, this time being really snarky and sarcastic (or actually just repeating Sean's sarcasm, which I thought was pretty funny). I kind of regret doing it, but this just gets me so riled up, it's hard to be nice about it.

gossamerfaery February 9 2005, 19:23:08 UTC

So, does robyrt post these topics to try to start a dialogue about them? I find it all very interesting. I try not to get into posts like that though because my answer would have been, I don't care whether it's biological or a choice. If it makes them happy, who cares where it comes from. I know people try to find a way to make it more acceptable by looking for a biological route, but I think the fact of it being biological or choice derived just detracts from the idea that people should be loved for who they are as well as for their choices:)

robyrt February 9 2005, 22:13:49 UTC

No, I'm not a comment whore, I make posts because people ask me what I think about things. :-P

And I actually wish you'd commented something along those lines - there are arguments I could make against that, and I'm sure it would have gotten pretty lively, hehe.

gossamerfaery February 10 2005, 05:52:14 UTC

Thank you for introducing yourself. I am not insinuating that you are a comment whore. My query was merely to find out your reason for initiating the discussion. Many of my friends do keep journals to discuss social issues ( ... )

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