The Second Coming
I've heard it postulated that Jesus has actually returned to earth already, that the second coming has already happened. The twist in that theory is that Jesus returned but we immediately killed him or else ignored him completely asking "Who the heck is this homeless guy dressed in rags who keeps asking us to be nice to the poor? That's super ( Read more... )
Like there are also these people here who go to funerals for dead soldiers, dead gay people, and dead liberals, and they hold up signs saying "God Hates Fags" or "You're going to hell for helpign fags" or whatever.
I have been arguing with people who want to make gay marriage not just illegal, but forbidden by constitutional ammendment and it always comes back to the idea that they want it banned because they are Christian.
I think the first kind of people couldn't have been further from Jesus even if they tried. (Here - I am speaking on behalf of Jesus ;D)
I can't see the point of the second kind of people (the ones trying to push anti-gay-marriage law) neither, for the reasons you mentioned. Though, if they are doing this by lawful means, this trying is their right in any democratic country (even if their motives are strange IMHO). Also I want to see the details - I am wary of the laws that could be made so that any priest will have to say "yes" if asked to marry two gay people in his church. I don't see the point of two gay people marrying in a church of the denomination that doesn't approve of gay marriages neither.
But I am also quite negative about some of the government actions that go "other way". For example, I read in a BBC article that in Germany, in their citizenship approval test, there is a question that is nick-named "Muslim question" (there is quite a big percentage of Turkish emigrants in Germany) stating "I approve of gay marriage" (or something of the sort).
I am not trying to insult Jesus by saying he was a crazy homeless guy dressed in rags--I'm trying to make fun of the people here, and I know them and have spoken to them, who believe that Jesus wants everyone to be wealthy and if Jesus came back they'd recognize him because he'd live in a palace and wear a crown.
Oh, no, I didn't think you were trying to offend anyone! They way I see it - Jesus warns against wealth-gathering and tries to encourage people to live for others in his EVERY SINGLE WORD.
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You are right, they are allowed to legally lobby for anything they want, I argue against it not to stop their free speech but to try to convince people who don't care much or are on the fence about the issue and encourage people to vote against these bills. It's like everyone is allowed to vote for John McCain if they want to, but that won't stop me from telling them reasons why they shouldn't do it.
Right now we are not talking about laws legalizing gay marriage, and you are right that it would be important to have the wording of those laws very carefully written, but these are laws to define marriage as only between "one man and one woman." In some cases it is referendums to change the state constitutions to outlaw gay marriage forever. So that's what I'm opposed to.
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I wish I was American and could vote. McCain and his crew give scares me. But I know some good folks who are going to vote for him, so I guess there must be some good in him too..
Hee - My problem is that I often can understand both points of view. :( I think civil gay marriages should have been approved ages ago already. But I can also see that there is so much negativity towards faith directed nowdays and I could see why some of religious people (not just Christian) could feel threatened.
So I don't think any church would be forced to perform any wedding they don't approve of. But changing the law would allow gay couples to get married in civil ceremonies and to have the same legal securities that married straight couples get,
I hope both these things will come through. The faith differences issue aside, I don't see why this is still not approved.
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