What will be, will be (Trapper/Margaret fanmix)
Yes, it's another fanmix. riverdresses tried to encourage me to make one for Two/Jamie, but for some reason my mind drifted to M*A*S*H and to my het OTP for that fandom, Trapper/Margaret. Enjoy!
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I'm ... confused about the AfterMASH comments - they really said that? WTF. Dude, I saw every single episode of that and believe me I would have remembered if they were ANY mention of those two hooking up. IIRC neither character was ever even mentioned on the show more than maybe once or twice (I think Potter said something about getting a letter from Hawkeye at one point but that was about it.)
I also vaguely remember Alan Alda commenting on it around the time M*A*S*H ended (I think he was asked something about what would happen to Hawkeye after the war or something) and he said that he didn't see the two ever being more than just friends. The fans keep mentioning the kiss in GFA as if it's proof but I think it can easily be read that they knew they had some passion at one point (CIA) and were getting it out of their system because it was OVER and they knew they may not ever see each other again. (And while I'm ranting I kind of hate the idea that some of the H/M shippers have that the 'just friends' commentary is somehow a bad thing. I mean - hey that IS the way canon did end up going and by the end of the show they did turn out to be good friends - that's nothing to balk at!)
(*dear God that is brought up again and again in every single fanfic as if it's the Holy Grail or something - I mean I like the pairing but it has to make some semblance of sense and the way fics have them constantly mooning over a kiss for the rest of their lives makes me want to throw something - that's just NOT either one of the characters.)
Lesigh. I had no idea that they were clinging to some hope that AfterMASH was suddenly going to make it canon. That reminds me of the Harmonians - a comparison I'm not really comfortable with being that I like the pairing (and never liked H/Hr- ha!) but there it is. GAH.
(And really the fics of the pairing that work for me are the very ones (and few ones I'll add) that address the differences and the struggles they actually would have to make it work. It's NOT going to be a simple relationship. It's one of the reasons I actually like them because I like the idea of couples who do have to overcome obstacles but that doesn't mean I expect everyone to agree with me nor do I expect that it HAS to be CANON (geeze) for me to enjoy it.
Anyway, I hadn't seen those AfterMASH comments (and if I had I would have left a comment of my own! Ha!) but I was referring to some rather negative comments I saw some H/M shippers leave each other on a mailing list a while back about other ships. Being that I also like other ships I was insulted - and a bit dismayed ala 'stop being on my side, you jackass!' kind of way! LOL
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They did, yes. It was ages ago, so I don't know if I can find the link, but it stuck with me for a long time. A H/M shipper once posted somewhere that they found a reference in a forum of someone claiming that it was mentioned in AfterMASH that Hawkeye and Margaret had gotten married, and wanted to know if it was true. Of course, the commenters dismissed it, but I shall forever regret clicking on the link to that forum; it was absolutely creepy. :/
The fans keep mentioning the kiss in GFA as if it's proof but I think it can easily be read that they knew they had some passion at one point (CIA) and were getting it out of their system because it was OVER and they knew they may not ever see each other again.
Yes, that makes absolute sense to me. If anything, CiA to me read as showing that there was clearly something in there, but a relationship would be difficult if not downright impossible with the extreme personalities they both have. The GFA kiss was inevitable, but it's not the ultimate sign that they're meant to be. And I agree with you that there's nothing wrong or demeaning about being just friends - it's a relationship just as noble as being in love.
That reminds me of the Harmonians - a comparison I'm not really comfortable with being that I like the pairing (and never liked H/Hr- ha!) but there it is. GAH.
Well, being a H/Hr shipper is completely different from being a Harmonian, I think. I prefer to ship Ron/Hermione myself, but have no problem with the non-Harmonian H/Hr shippers - a healthy discussion about different views in shipping can actually be interesting. And I admit that some of the most fanatical R/H shippers can be just as bad as the Harmonians, and have even almost threw me off shipping them.
I was referring to some rather negative comments I saw some H/M shippers leave each other on a mailing list a while back about other ships. Being that I also like other ships I was insulted - and a bit dismayed ala 'stop being on my side, you jackass!' kind of way! LOL
Sadly that seems to be a normal occurrence in almost every fandom, and I think it's absurd. Shipping a pairing doesn't mean that any of the others are rubbish (to avoid the words I'm sure were used instead) or that you can't have more than one shipping preference. In the end, those posters are bound to insult even those who also follow their ship of choice.
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*facepalm* Well, I can understand wanting to know if it was true - if I hadn't seen all of the shows for myself and just heard from some random stranger online I'd wonder too. That said I'm still boggled at the person who said it in the first place.
Well, being a H/Hr shipper is completely different from being a Harmonian, I think.
Omg, yes! I agree 100% and I hope I didn't lead you to believe that I lump all H/Hr shippers in the same boat. Some of my closest friends are H/Hr shippers! R/Hr is my favorite pairing but I can understand why it doesn't work for everyone and I even can understand the appeal that H/hr has for the folks who ship it. Regarding fic I always sort of view it as an AU from canon (no matter the canon - be it HP or MASH or something else entirely) so all sorts of scenarios can come up - including pairings that are wildly different from canon.
That said I know what you mean about the rabid canon shippers in HP fandom. Being that I've always been a huge R/Hr fan I've seen some of that upfront and personal and some of it was ... just ... insane. For example I don't personally care for Harry/Ginny (ironically I liked it before it actually happened but I was rather ' eh' about the canon interpretation of it) but being that I am a R/Hr shipper I know a lot of folks who love OBHWF and I actually lost some friends because I said I didn't care for H/G in HBP. I even went out of my way to word my posting about it as diplomatically as possible because I know how easy it can be for some people to take things like that personally but I was still defriended. Eh, it was a long time ago and such but every once in a while I'll see these folks on someone else's LJ and it's kind of a weird.
a healthy discussion about different views in shipping can actually be interesting.
Yes! I agree - I'm enjoying this discussion. :D I like finding out why certain ships appeal to different people and such even if I don't always feel the same way. I think sometimes people lose sight of the fact that people often have personal reasons why they relate to a pairing (or a character) and that can and will often influence their ship of choice. I also think that the people who become the most rabid are displaying a certain amount of wish fulfillment and that's perhaps why they become so blinded in their shipping.
In my own case the T/M and H/M ships (and I suppose their slash counterparts - H/T and H/B) appeal to me for various but different reasons. I like them all - and can wax poetically about them if asked but that doesn't mean I can't occasionally sample some other tastes. :D
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Well, personally I can't see it at all, but that doesn't mean I can't accept that others might - but sadly, that's how fandom works. *shakes head*
Yeah, I know what you mean. Harry/Ginny had great potential, but I think Rowling ended up doing a rather clumsy work with it when she actually had to make it happen. Still, it didn't make me cringe that much when I first read HBP because I kept imagining the Harmonians having a collective stroke and was more worried about the possible resulting implosion of LJ afterwards.
I think sometimes people lose sight of the fact that people often have personal reasons why they relate to a pairing (or a character) and that can and will often influence their ship of choice.
Yes, exactly. I have to say, I identify with Margaret quite a lot (I think if I was to compare myself with fictional characters, I'd probably be part Margaret and part Jamie from Doctor Who, with some hints of Luna Lovegood and Nan Pligrim from Diana Wynne Jones' Witch Week), and I have the feeling that's the reason why I could never see H/M happening. I adore Hawkeye, but I think he'd get on my nerves if I ever got involved with him. (That's not to say that Trapper wouldn't get on my nerves as well, now that I think about it, but he's always struck me as someone a bit more willing to reach a compromise, especially during those early days.)
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