McCain

[nebula_octon]

McCain wants the government to train the unemployedOk I have two views on this. If you are going to do this for those who are not achievers in society (the welfare earners) then you may have something here but you have to take their welfare away after they complete the training. But if your going to create this program for people who are laid off

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[devlocke]

If the fair tax is put into place... ehn, manufacturing jobs might return in a decade or two, at a slow trickle, if the cost of abandoning pre-existing and already-planned infrastructure in other nations is cheaper than just continuing to outsource. Taxation's not the only reason companies leave - there's also regulatory and labor stuff - so I don't know that it would be significantly cheaper to return to domestic production even if you cut taxes to nonexistent for corporations. I kind of doubt the tax rates are all that oppressive in the areas to which manufacturing has moved over the past few decades (but I haven't looked that up; link me if I'm wrong).

I also don't think that our "corporate citizens" should be tax-exempt. The logic behind "If you profit from our economy, you should not be taxed" doesn't really make sense to me.

Unemployment is a welfare program. Unemployment, disability, food stamps, WIC, that's all under the umbrella of "social welfare legislation" or whatever; since you don't believe the government should help anyone do anything, you should be opposed to unemployment anyways.

People that are raising a family on 50k a year operating heavy machinery can, in fact, usually find jobs at McDonalds making 15-20k a year in their factory-town when the factory closes down. Mostly because they all recognize they can't feed their families on that amount, and so no one takes those jobs, meaning there are openings for those few who are willing to lose their qualification for welfare programs, and get their stay-at-home spouse to go to work at McDonalds as well, and still take a significant cut in income.

Whenever there is a technological or economic change, be it mass production, or mass exportation of manufacturing, or automation, or what-have-you, a significant amount of people are going to be affected. Offering programs to assist in the transformation of the workforce to meet the demands of the new marketplace is beneficial not just to the people receiving training, but also to the economy, and to the society at large.

[nebula_octon]

fairtax.org is a good resource for the information on it. And "The Fair Tax Book"

[nebula_octon]

The corporations themselves wouldn't be taxed but when the people whowork for them purchase something they would be. The Social Security and Medicare taxes would also be abolished. The Fair TAx is designed to be revenue neutral to the government. The governemnt would have more money though because of the costs of running the IRS. Corporations lose tons of money paying for accountants to manage the companies taxes. They would no longer be responsible for doing that which would also save them money.

Its 23% inclusive sales tax on all retail items in the US. Inclusive meaning its included in the posted price. They came to this number by having economists estimate how much of a products price went directly into paying taxes for the company who made it and all the companies along the way who put it on the shelf. That number came out to 22%. The income tax is also abolished when this goes into affect. So prices on items may rise 1% which it less than the inflation rate. When companies are taxed that money goes directly into the price of the item it sells so they never really pay taxes. They just hike up the price of their product to cover the cost.

Also, people would receive 100% of what they earned which would increase their buying power. The economy would therefore get a boost due to increased spending. And people would be able to save more money.

It is a welfare program but it not "welfare". I know some people need help and I am not opposed to temporary help. I am opposed to legislation that leads to leeches. I don't want a family that just keep popping out kids to increase the check from the government to be allowed to continue to do that.

Why can't that family move to somewhere where jobs are available in the field they specialized in? It may be tough but it can be done. And now a days with the internet its easier than ever. Just because their isn't a job opportunity in the toiwn in which they live doesn't mean that there aren't any opportunities at all.

I need to look no further than this Rochester to see major changes i n the job market. Kodak used to employ a shit ton of people here and now its hard to find a job in this town where your not working with someone who was laid off from there. (My mom's been lucky that she hasn't been released yet especially considering shes approching her 30 year mark.)