Challenge 18 - Discussion

[penelope_ziva]

Challenge 18
discussion

Basic Description:With the discussion challenges I will post a statement or a question and debate/discussion commences about that topic. Remember that you don't have to get to the 11 plus comments, that is just there in case people get into the debate

Comments

[meredith44]

I agree with schizophrenic0 that I don't particularly want to see any pairing become canon on the show, because I have no faith in TPTB to not screw it up. (Although, I was fine with the McGee/Abby, so maybe?)

Anyway, my ships...
1. Tony/Ziva. I love Ziva, so when she was introduced, I wanted someone to ship her with. I have a thing about superior/subordinate ships, meaning I don't tend to read them, so that pretty much left out Gibbs/Ziva and Jenny/Ziva. I liked her a lot with Courtney in whatever episode that was, but she was a minor character, and no one really writes it. I can read Ziva/Abby, but I am more of a McGee/Abby shipper, so the latter tends to cancel the former out. This also rules out McGee/Ziva in my book. Consequently, I'm left with Tony/Ziva. I loved the flirting/banter/one-upsmanship of their early relationship, and I hope the writers get back to that.

2. McGee/Abby. I don't know if it is because it was canon for that brief while (and I'm a sucker for canon usually) or if I just like the idea of their dissimilar personalities clicking, but I love them together.

While those are my two main pairings, I also like and/or have read Gibbs/Jenny, Gibbs/Hollis Mann, Kate/Ari, and Gibbs/Kate.

(Team Abby)

[penelope_ziva]

I love Tony/Ziva! And McAbby, and I agree with Jibbs, Kari and Kibbs. I do ship McGiva and Zibbs though too.

I miss the banter between Tony and Ziva! It was so entertaining! I loved the bit about the sperm bank in Probie XD

Team Ziva

[meredith44]

I adore the banter. When Twilight aired, I was beyond pissed that TPTB had killed Kate. This ended up being slightly tempered by the knowledge that Sasha had wanted to leave the show, but I was still irked when Season 3 premiered. I was predisposed to dislike whoever tried to fill Kate's shoes. Then, I met Ziva. I loved how she interacted with the others, even as she had her ulterior motive. I liked that instead of responding with Kate's typical prudery (not exactly the word I want, but it'll do) and dismissal of Tony when he said things, Ziva gave as good as she got.

I love that aspect of Ziva/the show. I know a lot of people enjoy serious/character-centric shows, but I just want a continuation of the humor/banter. :) I actually think that they've been doing a pretty good job of it (for all characters) this season.

(Team Abby)

[penelope_ziva]

I started watching from Season 5 [in England] and I bought the S3 and 4 DVDs so I could catch up, but I only recently started watching S1 and 2. I loved Ziva from the very beginning, but I realized that Kate was just as awesome, and readjusted to fit in Tate, McKate and Kibbs. I think I first watched Twilight, and then Sub Rosa, and I fell in love with Kibbs ♥

I think they're doing very well this season! I'm even more hooked than I was before!!!

[sara_f_black]

It's impossible not to love Kibbs in Sub Rosa!!! They had a great chemestry!!! And I love Gibbs' actitud with her.

[meredith44]

When I watched season 1, I liked Kate. She started to irk me a bit (as she seemed a little unyielding and standoffish) in season 2, but I still liked her and shipped the heck out of her. When I fell in love with Ziva, though, I looked back at Kate and realized that I liked her potential more than I liked her actual character. I really wish that more had been done with her; however, I just don't have the interest in her now as I did. :( (For example, I used to read a lot of Kate fanfic, mostly pairing her with Ari, Gibbs or Tony and I have read very, very, very little of it since about mid-season 3.)

I did see the chemistry/subtext in Sub Rosa, even as I was telling myself that I shouldn't go for a superior/subordinate relationship, so I agree that it was definitely powerful chemistry! *grin*

Team Abby

[schizophrenic0]

Aw, Hollis Mann! I liked her too :) I thought she was a very headstrong women and I loved that she didn't just let Gibbs get away with things. I wish she'd stayed around.

And I have a slight soft spot for Kate and Ari, but only in the fandom world. Not that they can have a Kate/Ari ship on the show now since they're both dead.

[meredith44]

It's rare for me to find another person who didn't despise Hollis Mann, so yay! I also wish she had stayed around, but it wasn't to be.

I loved Kate/Ari after the first season. Ari hit all of my spots, being a morally ambiguous, possibly dangerous guy. When Twilight aired, I started out being pissed that Kate died, but ended up being mostly pissed that they'd turned a complex, morally ambiguous character into a straight villain. Since that moment, I haven't been able to read much in the way of Kate/Ari stories (or even just Ari stories). I tried an AU, but I didn't make it far with it. I'm (sadly) too wedded to canon. :(

Team Abby

[penelope_ziva]

I liked Hollis Mann, but I didn't ship her with Gibbs.

I have to admit, I love Kate/Ari. I love AU Kate/Ari, since they can't exactly have Kari in the episodes XD

[schizophrenic0]

Yeah, Mann doesn't get much respect, sadly :(

And I agree about the Ari thing. I wish he'd stuck around because he was such an interesting villain! You couldn't really tell if he was bad or good or what! And he had a way of charming you and making you believe what he told you! I hate obvious villains who are just a handlebar mustache and a maniacal laugh away from being Snidely Whiplash :P