Well, they're still more civil than the Tea Partier/Liberal wars

[nayami]

So, yeah, I know I shouldn't have said anything, especially not at 3 in the morning. But I dislike being told that people aren't allowed to express their disagreement toward their series. Hino EXPECTS people to fight over her triangle; it's a gimmick. It's why creators invent the triangles. They like to people on their toes guessing who will end up

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[sari_15]

The 'Twilight' vampire. D= Yes, I love playing with the loss of control when it comes to his hunger, especially since Zero fights it so hard and for as long as he can. It's difficult though sometimes when you don't know the 'rules' for each individual character. For instance, how long can a normal vampire go without feeding? A day? A week? Several weeks? What's the difference between actually drinking blood from someone and the blood tablets? What would happen if he actually drank from Yuuki now? Would he be sated for a time or not? How long?

And maybe I didn't do a very good job explaining the whole vengence thing. There is a difference between his drive to kill, like what happened with Sara and his actual goal. I agree with you completely about his 'vampire vs. humans' internal struggle and his own confusion on holding his personal stance as entirely just or right. There are doubts that leak through.

Where the conversation with "Ichiru" is something I am interested in seeing how it changes him and his thoughts on things in the future chapters. What happened in 60, with him actually helping Yuuki was an interesting step in the right direction. His mindset during the rest of the chapter though... I don't understand why everyone wanted her to bite him. Or thought he'd want that. As beautiful as that scene was, I sat there holding my breath as I read just hoping she wouldn't do it because it would likely undo all the work from the conversation with "Ichiru".

[nayami]

Also, to some extent the Ricean vampire; the Buffy vampire was usually scary as hell.

Lol I admit I play fast and loose with VK vampire rules because they are almost never set. I retcon when she gives me actual answers. But I enjoy the freedom, I admit.

I think Zero's mindset in 60 is the process of the "Ichiru" scene sinking in. That and that part of him still loves and cares for Yuuki. So while he couldn't be super gentle about bringing her back, it's not like he just dragged her either (like some seem to view it.) But what happened with Yuuki kind of shook that very tentative mindset about vampires and humans because if Yuuki had bit him, it would have just been confirmation in his belief that vampires care nothing for the feelings of others and only seek to use them for their own needs. Part of him was probably worried that he was "right" about Yuuki and he didn't want to face that, just as another part was expecting it because of what he's told himself about vampires. This ties into the whole conflict thing.

So yeah, Yuuki thinking about it and then backing down both assured him and hurt him in that she would even try. We can see that in his reaction to her jumping out the window and and his shattering the windows around him. He's frustrated to all hell and trying to figure out how he should be reacting, with the "Ichiru" thoughts in place as well. It's got to be murder on the psyche.

[sari_15]

Definitely murder on the psyche. But then I also can't help but feel even worse for poor Yuuki in that situation. Biting Zero would be the "worst crime ever" in her opinion, I think. That's even before her promise to Kaname enters the picture. She freaked out when Shizuka bit him, not wanting him ever be bitten again. She was the one that cleaned up all the blood from the bite that changed him and it traumatized her pretty bad as well. I think if she had bitten him, she wouldn't have argued if he had wanted her life in return. She would have felt she deserved it.

But the important thing was he has made some baby steps. Maybe bigger than baby steps. His confusion and internal conflict with everything is so entertaining to play with though. It actually drives my Yuuki player up the wall because he'll let her in for a little bit if something big happens, because he trusts her enough to assist with certain things before shutting her completely out again once he's done. Everything is entirely on his terms and if she steps over some imaginary line he has, he makes a point to cut everything off again. Three steps forward and two steps back still moves you forward. Just slowly.

I play fairly loose with it too. But I also have been given blood tablets in the place I've got him in, so it makes it easier. I figure he probably hasn't had any fresh blood in the year since Yuuki left, so tablets probably do quite well for him as long as he has them. Though with all the vampires we have, if they got rid of all the tablets and blood for a few days, the only one to have issues would be him and that would be on day one. We've been trying to plot out ways to do this.

He'll love having confirmation that he's really the most unstable vampire of all of them.