Well, they're still more civil than the Tea Partier/Liberal wars

May 25, 2010 02:44

So, yeah, I know I shouldn't have said anything, especially not at 3 in the morning. But I dislike being told that people aren't allowed to express their disagreement toward their series. Hino EXPECTS people to fight over her triangle; it's a gimmick. It's why creators invent the triangles. They like to people on their toes guessing who will end up ( Read more... )

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Re: and I just kept going...and going.... nayami May 28 2010, 00:31:12 UTC
As far as his new take on the situation, I see it, yes, as Zero taking a more active role rather than just backing up Yuuki as he once did, when he didn't care what happened to him. That said, should push come to shove, I still can see him completely willing to risk his life to fulfill his role as a Hunter, which he views in its protector role. I think the protector, the agency to prevent others from being hurt like him, is much more active in him now that he's lost so much. So while the fury toward vampires and the want to destroy them in vengeance still exists, it takes a back seat to this more important role. The protective aspect is the one I explore the most when I RP him, although some characters mistake it as Zero using it as an excuse to retaliate against vampires. When, in fact, it is about doing something with the warped life he has been given and not throwing away the chance Ichiru has given him to make a difference.

This protector aspect is what holds Zero back from just taking his vengeance in cold blood and therefore wiping out his reasons for living. Zero "cooperates" with the Association and the vampires to prevent the chaos that would result from doing otherwise and letting the vampires make their own rules. He acknowledges Kaname's power and use. This one thing I absolutely love about the current timeline. Where Kaname once used Zero to meet his goals (protecting Yuuki, killing Rido), Zero is now using Kaname to his (keeping the vampires in place, gathering information). You asked how my Kaname and I interact in our game. That is the main atmosphere. Zero uses Kaname to control the other vampires as far as keeping them in check and to gather information on occult happenings. It is a twisted alliance of sorts and a bit harsher than the one that exists between Kaname and the Hunters, I think. My Zero is very much the work-a-holic and gets harangued constantly about it. Zero is smarter now because he has to be to deal with Kaname and not be led around by the nose as he was, back when he held little regard for his own position and life. He also has to be smarter to hold his own within the Association, something that Cross encourages.

Back to my take on Zero's vampirism and how it relates to this topic. While I see Zero's personal "hunger" at seeking is vengeance tying into his bloodlust and something he needs to keep at bay, I also see the protector role as his method of putting that "hunger" to use for someone other than himself. So yes, killing vampires sates his thirst (whether through Bloody Rose or otherwise) but it still has to be more than just doing the Association's work to him so he adds in his own personal information pursuits to ensure Hunters bring about greater protection for others. He abides by the Association's roles for this same reason, the need to keep order and to be more than just another killer, a trait he ascribes to vampires.

I think this is why his reaction to Kaitou telling him in losing the chance to kill Sara he was acting like a spurned vampire is so strong. It was saying that he was just being killer, and Zero does want to be beyond that. It struck him also because he realized that killing Sara could no longer save those girls, that he had been too late. So comes the journey to his parents grave and "Ichiru" reflection. It's not so much the urge to kill vampires that is being viewed as "vampiric" in the biased sense of the word but the urge to kill them even when there's nothing good to be gained in doing so.

Overall, Zero just wants to protect others against the suffering he's experienced and wants to make the most of what Ichiru's sacrifice afforded him. But he must do so while managing the realities of his own carnal needs. Hunting encompasses both of these aspects.

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sari_15 May 28 2010, 02:26:58 UTC
*keyboard smashing*

Yes! A THOUSAND TIMES THIS. This is the part I tend to focus on as well. He keeps a close eye on the vampires in game and when something happens, is often one of the first there taking control and making sure everyone is safe, vampire related or not. People often call him out on his prejudices but he'd much rather have them safe than in his position. I think Aidou referred to him as insane after discovering he'd sat in a chair outside his and Yuuki's hospital rooms for two days during a recent plot to ensure that everyone was safe and no one entered their rooms without supervision because of the risks. Only taking small naps after not sleeping the two nights before that due to events that had happened those nights that kept him busy.

Honestly, you explained everything perfectly and I couldn't agree with you more. What I love is how in this part, the roles really have nearly switched and Zero is actually the one attempting to play the game. Maybe not entirely switched, but at least he's actually trying which is pretty exciting.

And I really like your impression of his reaction to Kaito's words. I hadn't thought about it in that way before. The damage had already been done and nothing he could do would save them from that point on. It's a very harsh reality. Especially because he's someone who wants to prevent something like that from happening in the first place.

I am already anticipating the next chapter, which looks to be like it might be a Zero/Aidou chapter. Hopefully she does things through Zero's POV so we can get a little more into his head for what his mindset is right now.

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nayami May 28 2010, 03:14:45 UTC
I just have to say that I love Zero and Aidou interactions beyond words, and I love how Aidou is one of the few vampires that Zero can actually tolerate and almoooooooooooost respects, as seen in their conversation long long again. He's much more lenient around him than any other vampire. I still crack up at Aidou making him cook for him. Then again, I just love any Aidou scenes because he's very plot-focused and he's just so damn smart. I have been pining for an Aidou in my game forever!

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sari_15 May 28 2010, 03:44:12 UTC
I always laugh reading the first volume where Aidou bites Yuuki and Zero shoots him.

It seems so out of character now.

I adore them too, they always seem to draw together to compare notes and then run off their separate ways to do their thing. I love it. He catches everything and I'm really torn with hoping Aidou just gets everything WRONG and assumes that Zero really did threaten Yuuki and refused to hand over his blood and try to chide him for being a huge hypocrite. Because from previous chapters you know he gets the fact that Yuuki isn't sated entirely by Kaname and would instantly realize that had to do with Zero.

The other part of me, the sane one that likes to plot long term, knows that should come later. He's had enough to think about without adding more. But then Hino did reveal the ancestor a lot sooner than I expected.

I'm tempted to canon update just so Zero always has someone to talk to...so I know your pain. My list of 'wants' for VK is quite large. Starting with Kaien and Ichiru.

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