Chapter 698: Naruto & Sasuke 5

Oct 31, 2014 21:38

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Chapter 698: Naruto and Sasuke 5
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meganinhiding November 1 2014, 19:33:07 UTC
While this chapter is getting a lot of love from the fandom its not exactly universal; I've seen a few voices on tumblr that feel this final fight shit all over 690 chapters of Sasuke's development and I find myself feeling the same way. My biggest complaints tend to be about Sasuke's journey rather than the destination though ( ... )

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senior_witch November 2 2014, 11:55:49 UTC
To me it's like "okay, we beat you up, so that you are really angry at us so that other people perceive you as crazy and bad at self-control, and then we will offer to "heal" you so that you can learn self-control and become more acceptable. Aren't we nice ( ... )

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meganinhiding November 2 2014, 16:36:45 UTC
I once heard a theory that after Part 1 Kishimoto deliberately wanted to make Sasuke more unlikeable because he was much more popular than Naruto. If so he got the opposite reaction from me that he wanted in his audience; I gave up on the manga after Karin's stabbing because I didn't like where Sasuke was headed and I didn't really care about the rest of Team 7 and Pain's rhetoric bored me.

I think the main problem is that Kishi has some characters that he intends to put in redemption arcs but he has them go too far. The arguably most glaring example is Obito who Naruto describes as "the coolest guy" or Itachi who Hashirama says is a better shinobi than he is. Than he redeems them through sad flashbacks and/or a speech from Naruto because he's the Child of Prophecy.

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senior_witch November 2 2014, 23:25:56 UTC
Really? At TV-Tropes he is called a "base breaker", meaning there's people who like him and people who hate him, but few in between. Also, he used to be the trope namer of "Americans hate Sasuke", but now the trope is named Americans hate Tingle. Maybe a brooding character is less popular in the US than in Japan, but I know too little about either country's culture.

I thought Sasuke more interesting than Naruto, who was too perfect for my taste, and also, I had grown up with the ideal of the child/person who smiles in the face of injustice and and had run into the manga just when I had rejected that ideal.

I guess the redemption arcs don't work for me because my idea of good and evil differs greatly from Kishimoto. I think that Konoha is badly in need of redemption, but this won't happen in the remaining two chapters.

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meganinhiding November 14 2014, 04:03:16 UTC
I think the person the person who came up with this theory was talking about the Japanese audience and I've never been certain how far to believe it.

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senior_witch November 18 2014, 19:29:29 UTC
I have has a look at the early volumes of Naruto. In volume 7 I found the results of a poll with Kakashi in first place, Naruto in second place and Sasuke in third place. Maybe there's later polls where Sasuke came out first, but I don't have time to look them up at the moment. Actually you don't need an absolute majority in order to come out first in such a poll, just a relative majority, meaning that even if Sasuke gets less some forty percent of the votes, while the other sixty percent hate him, he may come out first if the other votes are divided between, say, Naruto, Kakashi, Shikamaru, Gaara and maybe even Sakura ( ... )

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