I find myself in the position of being required, by honest, to modify my prior froth...

[nagaina_ryuuoh]

...It...actually looks like Obama literally just tricked the Republicans into a box where they have to admit they just hate the idea of contraceptives as preventative care or else just shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of the way. If this is true, I provisionally suspend my froth, provided no further "compromise" materializes

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[sorceror]

What I don't understand is that contraception isn't even an issue for the majority of their religious base, not even officially. It only applies for Roman Catholics. Aren't most Christians in the US actually Protestant?

[nagaina_ryuuoh]

Yes. Catholics make up approximately 15% of the avowed Christian population of the US -- the rest are assorted species of Protestant. It's just that the Catholic Church actually constitutes the fifth largest healthcare provider in the United States through its hospitals arm. The actual Catholic churches are default religiously exempt from the contraceptive rules that'll be taking effect but they want their secularly-affiliated hospitals or adoption agencies to also be exempt, even those the employees of those businesses are not necessarily Catholic.

[the__ivorytower]

Isn't the Catholic nuns league adamantly supporting the health care support re: birth control?

So it's not even all catholics, it's male catholics, and I bet you could point to a fair swath of them that still support it until you get left with the douchebags who are so far removed from reality that it doesn't know their postal code.

[sorceror]

I bet you could point to a large majority of male Catholics who also wouldn't be against it. How many Catholics *do* practice birth control (real birth control, I mean, as opposed to the rhythm method)? I could only imagine the very strictest and devoted (or perhaps I should say, fanatic) of Catholics having any sort of serious issue with it.

[yukie1013]

That's about the size of it, yes. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic high school (and then stopped being remotely Catholic, lol)--only the most Bible-waving desperate-to-prove-something sorts got all het up about birth control. At my high school students used it, teachers knew it, nobody talked about it outside health class and the clinical aspects (e.g. "this is what a condom is for, btw pls don't have sex before marriage"). It was like "DOO DOO DOO DEE DOO DEE DOO, GOING TO WORK UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT ALL THESE KIDS ARE CELIBATE BUT DROP THE INFO IN HEALTH CLASS ANYWAY BECAUSE WE GOTTA AND EITHER WAY WE WOULD PREFER HEALTHY ALIVE STUDENTS, LA LA~"

And a whole hell of a lot of the super duper Bible-wavers use various kinds of birth contro too, they just rationalize the hell out of it at high volume and make all kinds of excuses about why they should be allowed to use it but everyone else not so much.

[nagaina_ryuuoh]

Yes, they are. So is the nun who actually runs the Catholic health association.

[jhyanmar]

They think they're going to stop everyone else from voting, that's what they think. :P