Urgent Action Needed.

[naamah_darling]

I'm really tired of making this post.

For all y'all who thought, "Well, I'll do something when it becomes official," it has become official, and it is time to get off your fucking ass:

The Bush administration officially proposes conscience rule for doctors who don't want to do their fucking jobs.This does not just apply to doctors -- surgeons,

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[last_archangel]

I hate to be argumentative because it's something you're so passionate about, but anyone has the right to refuse to do something they think is wrong. It's not about whether or not abortion is right or wrong, but what each individual person thinks. That in itself isn't misogyny.

[ginasketch]

5th comment in.

A new record.

[ladydragon543]

Off Topic but OMG ICON! I <3 that comic oh so much...

[ginasketch]

Richard is god.

[last_archangel]

But not all doctors join the medical field to do "just anything" they get paid to do. Some take their Hippocratic Oath seriously when they swear to do no harm, and some feel that performing such a procedure is an harmful act. There's no crime in that.

[nimbrethil]

Bullshit yet again.

This post makes the point very well.

[ms_daisy_cutter]

But, Nim, it's all about their dewicate widdle rewigious sensibiwities!!!

[nimbrethil]

As I said in a comment below, if they really wanted to suffer for Christ, they would welcome the hardships of facing job termination for refusal to do their job on religious grounds. By going so far out of their way to AVOID suffering negative consequences for their faith, they're disobeying what Christ called them to do. Idiots.

Not that I give a flying rat's ass about their religious beliefs, but they're religious hypocrites on top of being misogynist assholes.

[anne_jumps]

They're also disobeying Christ in training for and taking these jobs specifically so that they can then punish sinners by denying them treatment, medicine, and care. That's... kind of the opposite of Christ's suggested behavior toward sinners, I thought, but what do I know.

[nimbrethil]

Most Christians don't read their holy books anyway, so...

Seriously, I'm steadily losing what little respect I have for the Abrahamic faiths. The Bible very much does either promote or condone violence, and I really don't see how anyone can hold it up as the groundwork of their faith and expect not to be viewed with suspicion. Even moderate/liberal Christians, because I don't know any Christian, liberal or conservative, who didn't hold up the ENTIRE body of Biblical scriptures as their holy books, and in order to do that, you've got to accept that the Old Testament is filled to overflowing with barbaric prescriptions for justice sanctioned by this supposedly loving God, and in the New Testament, not only are there verses wherein Jesus is not the compassionate hippy he's often portrayed as.

Christianity needs an overhaul, and that means tossing out an old, irrelevant text that has no place in a civilized society.

[flewellyn]

Hey, now, don't mix us Jews in with the Christians. "Abrahamic faiths" indeed.

[nimbrethil]

Sorry, Flew. My main gripe is with Christianity, but some days it does seem like all three Abrahamic faiths have been the world's greatest source of evil. Then again, lately I find myself wondering that maybe the best thing the world could do is wake up atheist tomorrow.

[flewellyn]

Well, to be fair, Orthodox Judaism is pretty sexist as well. But the Reform and Conservative sects are pretty progressive.

And besides, we're not exactly in a position to oppress anybody.

[nimbrethil]

Hey, question for you:

A long time ago on another community, I got into a discussion with a friend of mine who is ethnically Jewish but has pretty much rejected having the religion be any part of his personal life, though he retains a belief in God. He said something to me once that in his studies of religion, Christianity seems to be unique among religions in its belief that the Creator is eternally unchanging, and went on to say that Judaism sees God is just as prone to evolving as humans are. What are your thoughts on this?

[flewellyn]

That's a huge question, and I don't have enough space in a comment to address it all, but my belief, based on my readings of the scriptures, is that God has been SHOWN changing and growing many times in the stories. After flooding the Earth, for instance, God swears never to do it again.

Plus, many times, God took action or approved of action in the earlier stories that, later on, the same God explicitly disapproved of or refrained from doing. For instance, destroying Sodom and Gommorrah, but sparing the city that Jonah was sent to threaten.

There's also numerous instances of someone arguing with God, and changing God's mind from doing something, usually something destructive. At Mount Sinai, after the Golden Calf incident, for instance, God was ready to just smite the Hebrews and find another people to start over. But Moses reminded God that no, can't do that, you made a promise. And God relented