[filter; angels]andaclatterAugust 31 2011, 23:15:29 UTC
And yet I get the impression that the girl is being entirely fucking smothered.
Tell me this, Gabriel: why is it so easy to chase after the Original Sin and ensure she does not fall and yet, when it comes to your own brothers, it is so, so easy to speak of their damnation? I'm not even talking about myself so much as Raphael. He tries so hard to gain your approval and he is held accountable for every mistake he has made, though he is as human as we are. (Though it is pretty fucking unfair of me to lay this question at your door when I know that you're doing your best for him.)
We are still His angels, even if we are human now, and more is and should be expected of us. How can we forget who we are or set it aside? It's not my approval, our brother's approval, or even Michael's approval that he needs to seek, it's God's and yes, he should be accountable to every mistake, just as we are accountable for our own mistakes that we make.
I am doing my best for him but there is only so much I can do when it's one step forward, two steps backward, as much as it pains me to say that.
[filter; angels]andaclatterAugust 31 2011, 23:27:28 UTC
Like I say: that's simply my impression of the situation.
What really fucking gets to me is this: the hypocrisy of it all. We are angels, therefore we have to transcend every human weakness. Eve is the Original Sin and yet? No, wait. She is human and should be lead a charmed life. Raphael seeks our Father and prays to him but he longs for your approval as any younger brother might. He is a wonderful Archangel and I wish we'd all fucking remember that.
Her life has not been charmed, Samael. She is free to make her own mistakes, lead her life as she wishes, we are only helping her along the way.
Yet he has told me he has a habit of lying, he has disregarded our advice time and time again when we have tried to help him. He has even questioned our Father and His laws. These are not the actions of an archangel, Samael.
[filter; angels]andaclatterAugust 31 2011, 23:54:40 UTC
She is as free as any fucking pet, Gabriel. So long as she returns home, she is free to do what she wants.
These are the actions of a lost child. One who needs to be helped along the way. Can't you remember how he was? The fucking badass who bound Azazel and somehow continued to be the Archangel of Healing? I want him to be like that again and I'm fucking terrified that he'll be lost.
[filter; angels]divine_strengthSeptember 1 2011, 00:01:19 UTC
It is always her choice, we have never forced her to seek God or to do anything.
And you think I have not tried to help him every step of the way, Samael? Do you think that it doesn't pain me not to see the Raphael we all once knew in him? I want Raphael to be himself once more as well and the thought of losing a brother is something I can barely think about. So do not suggest that I or our other brothers have not been helping him as we can.
[filter; angels]andaclatterSeptember 1 2011, 07:10:17 UTC
She lives with two Archangels. Seeking God does seem rather like a prefuckingrequisite. Not that I've any objection to that. Far from it. Our Father can certainly help more than we could ever hope to.
It's not an issue of helping him, Gabriel, though God knows he needs all the help he can get (as do we all). Chance encounters in the street aside, I never fucking see him, and even I can tell that he needs more than cool guidance. He needs his brothers to love him and not fucking dangle the threat of damnation over his head every time he puts a foot out of line. His human life has been considerably fucking different to yours or even mine. I was eleven when I realised who I am and it was a fucking relief. He was a fully-formed grown-up. If you can rush to forgive Eve's sins (and they are many), you must give your too-human brother the same dues.
[filter; angels]divine_strengthSeptember 1 2011, 07:21:41 UTC
I am trying to understand but the choices he makes now make it very hard to. It is difficult to help him when he turns around and disregards our advice, lies, and questions our Father. He doesn't seem to realize that God is not forgiving with angels who stray from His path. We love him, that is why we warn him even if he should know the consequences of his actions.
[filter; angels]andaclatterSeptember 1 2011, 17:44:51 UTC
I don't think he means to disregard anyone's advice. He's just a little lost, that's all. Far better that he come by our Father honestly and with hard work - and he is trying, I'm sure of it.
I just - I know I fucking can't. But sometime, Gabriel, won't you just spend time with him? See him at work or something and you'll see that he's a wonderful human being. He just needs time to be the Archangel.
[filter; angels]divine_strengthSeptember 1 2011, 18:18:16 UTC
Yet he does. I cannot help but think though, that if he remembers who he is, it would not be so difficult to want to be who he is supposed to be. He was an angel of presence, even if he had lived most of his life as a human, he would still be Raphael, yet...I do not recognize him, Samael.
He is the archangel though, whether he needs time or not. I will try to seek him out more when I can though.
[filter; gabriel]andaclatterSeptember 1 2011, 20:23:06 UTC
When we were angels - I mean, had the form of angels or whatever - Raphael was remarkable. I remember meeting him after he bound Azazel and he was exactly as you'd fucking expect - incomparable. I want him to fucking believe he can be that again, Gabriel, I do. I don't know how he can be expected to believe in himself when his own brothers don't.
I appreciate it, Gabriel. I do. I know I'm not like any of you. I fucking know it. You're good, though. Unreservedly fucking good. Please help him.
[filter; samael]divine_strengthSeptember 1 2011, 20:41:01 UTC
He should be that way, I agree. If he remembers who he is...I pray that he will be himself once more, that he can be that brother I knew.
I am only doing what I can for my brother. Then trust me when I say I am trying to help him. I will not let him fall if I can do anything to prevent it.
We don't control her actions but we will protect her and help her along the best we are able to. Even being who she is, she is still human.
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Tell me this, Gabriel: why is it so easy to chase after the Original Sin and ensure she does not fall and yet, when it comes to your own brothers, it is so, so easy to speak of their damnation? I'm not even talking about myself so much as Raphael. He tries so hard to gain your approval and he is held accountable for every mistake he has made, though he is as human as we are. (Though it is pretty fucking unfair of me to lay this question at your door when I know that you're doing your best for him.)
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We are still His angels, even if we are human now, and more is and should be expected of us. How can we forget who we are or set it aside? It's not my approval, our brother's approval, or even Michael's approval that he needs to seek, it's God's and yes, he should be accountable to every mistake, just as we are accountable for our own mistakes that we make.
I am doing my best for him but there is only so much I can do when it's one step forward, two steps backward, as much as it pains me to say that.
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What really fucking gets to me is this: the hypocrisy of it all. We are angels, therefore we have to transcend every human weakness. Eve is the Original Sin and yet? No, wait. She is human and should be lead a charmed life. Raphael seeks our Father and prays to him but he longs for your approval as any younger brother might. He is a wonderful Archangel and I wish we'd all fucking remember that.
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Yet he has told me he has a habit of lying, he has disregarded our advice time and time again when we have tried to help him. He has even questioned our Father and His laws. These are not the actions of an archangel, Samael.
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These are the actions of a lost child. One who needs to be helped along the way. Can't you remember how he was? The fucking badass who bound Azazel and somehow continued to be the Archangel of Healing? I want him to be like that again and I'm fucking terrified that he'll be lost.
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And you think I have not tried to help him every step of the way, Samael? Do you think that it doesn't pain me not to see the Raphael we all once knew in him? I want Raphael to be himself once more as well and the thought of losing a brother is something I can barely think about. So do not suggest that I or our other brothers have not been helping him as we can.
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It's not an issue of helping him, Gabriel, though God knows he needs all the help he can get (as do we all). Chance encounters in the street aside, I never fucking see him, and even I can tell that he needs more than cool guidance. He needs his brothers to love him and not fucking dangle the threat of damnation over his head every time he puts a foot out of line. His human life has been considerably fucking different to yours or even mine. I was eleven when I realised who I am and it was a fucking relief. He was a fully-formed grown-up. If you can rush to forgive Eve's sins (and they are many), you must give your too-human brother the same dues.
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I just - I know I fucking can't. But sometime, Gabriel, won't you just spend time with him? See him at work or something and you'll see that he's a wonderful human being. He just needs time to be the Archangel.
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He is the archangel though, whether he needs time or not. I will try to seek him out more when I can though.
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I appreciate it, Gabriel. I do. I know I'm not like any of you. I fucking know it. You're good, though. Unreservedly fucking good. Please help him.
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I am only doing what I can for my brother. Then trust me when I say I am trying to help him. I will not let him fall if I can do anything to prevent it.
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And I did question. I am past that stage, His laws are not to be questioned.
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