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[musicman04941]

"This group of homosexuals, we consider them impure," he said, calling on Palestinians to take to the streets to prevent marchers from entering east Jerusalem, where the holy sites are located. They "must not be allowed to enter Jerusalem

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[ceallaighgirl]

I beg to differ. I highly doubt that they consider themselves sinless.

HOWEVER

There is a big difference between repenting from sin and rushing into it head first (at least in the Christian and Jewish view -- although that is a Muslim they quote there and I don't know the specifics of Islam). Repenting from sin doesn't make a person no longer a sinner (it would be ridiculous to believe that), but it does make them spiritually clean again (and again and again and again . . . ).

[musicman04941]

Well...I'm sure they don't consider themselves sinless. But the thing is that with these kinds of statements they are placing themselves on a higher level than homosexuals.

[ceallaighgirl]

No, they're not. They're saying that homosexuality is wrong.

[musicman04941]

By all technicalities, nobody should be allowed to enter Jerusalem. According to the Bible (and I'm sure you know this), every sin is equal. Lying is the same as stealing. Stealing is the same as adultery. Adultery is the same as murder, and murder is the same as homosexuality. So....if they want homosexuals to stay out of Jerusalem because "homosexuality is wrong," maybe they should step back and take a look at themselves first.

[ceallaighgirl]

Yes, you are correct, there is no level of sin (sin is sin!). However, like I said, there is a difference between admitting one is a sinner and repenting of the sin and saying that the sin is okay. If you wanted to draw parallels, you'd have to argue that these people think that murdering people is not a sin and lying is not a sin and committing adultry is not a sin. Ah, and then to have a parade celebrating these things.

[theytookunix]

So sinners can go to heaven?

[ceallaighgirl]

If they repent of their sins, yes.

[theytookunix]

So theoretically, if Hitler repented for bringing about the murder of millions of jews just before he killed himself (and assuming that suicide is not a sin, of course), he would go to paradise?

[ceallaighgirl]

If he repented of his sins and accepted Jesus (I should have specified that), then yes, he would.

(I find it very very very ridiculously unlikely that someone as, well, anti-Christ as himself would have repented, though.)

[theytookunix]

So if I blew up the pope then repented and accepted Jesus, I'd be in the clear, afterlife-wise?

That doesn't really make much sense.

[ceallaighgirl]

If you were truly genuine about it, yes, you would.

It makes perfect sense and is completely in line and consistent with the teaching of grace and mercy. Ah no, you don't have to like it, but that's what it is.

[theytookunix]

What if I had already accepted jesus, then decided to, say, attack homosexuals wanting to enter Jerusalem, after which I repented completely and fully? What if I didn't repent because I was doing God's work, destroying those who go against it's teachings, those who would do an act which is an affront to God? Would I need to repent for that? Would I really be doing wrong?

[ceallaighgirl]

You'll have to explain what you mean by "attack".

[theytookunix]

Attack as in physically harm. As you can see one sentence later, I use "destroying" in a manner similar to "attack," so it is easy to assume that I use these two words interchangeably, at least in this context.

[ceallaighgirl]

We may have been taught differently, but I was always told that it is unwise to assume things (particularly in a debate). When things are assumed, fallacies abound. You may also care to note that destroy does not always mean to physically harm.

Speaking of assumptions, you appear to making the assumption that God wishes (or that Christians believe that God wishes) that people should physically harm homosexual people. That is incorrect. Physically harming people is not God's will, at least in the Christian and Jewish context. I said elsewhere in another comment, I do not know the Muslim faith well enough to make a call on that.

If you were to claim are are a Christan and did go out and destroy homosexuals, 1. That would not be appropriate Christian behaviour 2. You would not be doing God's will 3. You would, in fact, be going against God's teachings.

[theytookunix]

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