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ceallaighgirl June 16 2006, 05:14:00 UTC
"'In America you do not stamp out a bad idea by repressing it, you stamp out a bad idea with a better idea,' he said."

Okay, better idea: if you don't like America, LEAVE.

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musicman04941 June 16 2006, 08:08:54 UTC
well...here's another idea. our rights to free of expression are being supressed by this amendment. a demonstration that involved a burning of the american flag may indeed be a little extreme, but it is "protected" by the first amendment. and that person burning the flag wouldn't necessarily not like America, they wouldn't like what is happening in it.

because i disapprove of our country's decisions and leadership doesn't mean that i don't like being an American. i want to see change in our country, and limiting our rights to free speach and freedom of expression is the right decision.

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ceallaighgirl June 16 2006, 13:11:43 UTC
Hmm, it seems to me that one could find infinitely more effective (and efficient) ways to "fix" America than burning a flag. Burning a flag doesn't say anything but "I hate America" because that's actually the only sentiment it expresses. It doesn't even come close to addressing the issues at hand.

Dang. I should start burning things to express myself. Yeah, I'll start burning books.

Ooh, or I could go kill a bald eagle.

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musicman04941 June 16 2006, 17:28:11 UTC
Burning the flag is a demonstration. You know, just like displaying photos of aborted fetuses. Or a white supremist group gathering for a public rally. If I were to burn the flag, I wouldn't be saying "I hate America," I would be saying "I hate what America has become."

Even if burning the flag meant "I hate America" (which it doesn't necessarily mean), it doesn't matter. We're talking about protecting the first amendment.

Perhaps we should create something like the Ministry of Truth so that our citizens would learn not to "hate" America. And maybe we should send everybody who has something about our country to speak out against to the Ministry of Love.

You start limiting rights, this is the road you are walking on.

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ceallaighgirl June 16 2006, 17:54:06 UTC
Actually, the pictures of aborted foetuses is not a demonstration of the same nature as burning a flag. It is showing the truth of reality, and is informative. Burning a flag doesn't show any particular truth and doesn't inform anybody of anything, unless you're trying to make a point that burning a flag is . . . burning a flag or that cotton is flammable ( ... )

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musicman04941 June 16 2006, 18:15:04 UTC
There are good things about our country. There are bad. I do understand the good, and for that I am thankful. But also, many things need to be spoken out against. I don't think that burning the flag is the best way to get a message across. But it is an action that is protected by the first amendment. It's as simple as that. It's not gratuitous. It's not violent. It may very well have underlying meaning to it.

Look, you have your opinions. I have mine. We both seem to be unwavering, and this debate is going nowhere. I'm done.

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insomniacguy451 June 16 2006, 23:12:24 UTC
For once I didn't have to start an argument with conservative America ( ... )

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musicman04941 June 16 2006, 23:29:14 UTC
if only i had the linguistic blessings you possess john. then my argument would be a lot stronger too. :) it is a shame that our rights are on the verge of being supressed.

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