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I saw on tumblr last night that RDJ and CEvans were making a "surprise" appearance on Kimmel, likely to premiere the Captain America: Civil War trailer (one day I'll talk about the ludicrous notion of premiering a trailer, but not today), so when I woke up to 
angelgazing squeeing at me via text, I put a pause in my morning routine to watch. (I wasn't late for work, but only because my commute went as smoothly as it possibly could, likely due to a much lighter than normal commuter load because it's the day before Thanksgiving. I was totally willing to be late if necessary, though.)
Anyway! Age of Ultron really damaged my trust in these movies, so while I am totally squeeful, I'm also very tentative in my enthusiasm. So here's some cautious squeeing.
Wow, and I thought CATWS was subtitled ALL STEVE'S BUCKY FEELS. ALL OF THEM. When Steve is your BFF he really truly means FOREVER. TILL THE END OF THE LINE. HE WILL FIGHT YOU. AND YOU. AND YOU.
I mean, I've made all the arguments against doing Civil War in the MCU and how in order to work in the universe the movies have set up, this movie would have to be at least in part about how the post CATWS world deals with the "Bucky: traitor or POW?" question, and it seems like that is exactly what they've decided to do. Thank you, Russo brothers. I'm sure fandom will turn on you shortly, but for now, you have an excellent chance to redeem the mess that was AoU.
It looks likely that HYDRA/Brock Rumlow is responsible for whatever Bucky's being blamed for (no doubt an explosion that kills a bunch of civilians), and so Steve decides to take him on the run. And the thing is, one of my very favorite things about CATWS is that Steve saves the world before he saves Bucky. He doesn't say "to hell with the millions of people who are going to die, I'm going to try to save my BFF and let the world burn." When he realizes he can't convince Bucky not to fight, he makes taking the helicarriers down his first priority. Then he turns to rescuing Bucky and trying to get him to remember. So I'm not sure how I feel about Steve putting his friendship with Bucky first.
Otoh, I feel like Steve has been really close to breaking since Bucky died - I don't think he was ever actively suicidal, but I think that 1. putting the Valkyrie in the water without punching out, and 2. dropping the shield and deciding that not fighting was the best way to save Bucky (but also, he didn't really want to be in a world where he couldn't save Bucky again) are certainly indicative of a state of mind that is not really high on the joy of living.
It's like the speech Lt. Speirs gives in Band of Brothers: "The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it."
Well, okay, not exactly like that, because Steve never functions without any of those things (that's what the Bucky-as-the-Winter Soldier was meant to be), but he does kind of act like he's already dead a lot. *hands* He's never had his PTSD treated. He's never been able to reintegrate into a peacetime life. So I guess to me, I'm looking at this like it's him taking his Bucky and his Sam and going home (on the run. whatever, this is a metaphor.) because it's just one sacrifice too far.
I also think that, given the givens of how things ended with SHIELD (and ignoring the existence of new SHIELD on the tv show, since IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIVED THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF CATWS), he's right to be wary of some government lackey (who isn't Fury or Hill, who are technically no longer with the govt) who wants to oversee him. Like, that's the guy who persecuted the Hulk! And was conducting super soldier serum experiments! I mean, I don't know how much Steve knows via Bruce, but I feel like Steve should have some very complicated feelings about all of the various ways people in the MCU have tried to replicate him and, for the most part, failed. (I guess we'll find out if the chemicals/accident that gave Matt Murdock, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage powers are part of a serum experiment that went awry, but I'm going to guess yes, and luckily they didn't turn into the Red Skull or the Abomination etc.)
On the other hand, there's what? eight known superheroes (not counting Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones), who WERE working for the govt (until it was revealed as HYDRA), so this is definitely a situation where Steve is set up as a guy who's gone rogue, and unlike in the comics, Tony's the one who is in the right here (at least on the surface; I can't imagine they'll make Steve totally wrong in his own movie, so there will probably be more corruption). I know what Tony's motivations were in the comics, but I can't get past what he actually did, and what the SHRA did, and not even getting into real world analogues of why it's a terrible idea, I originally came to Marvel via the X-Men movies. (Well, technically, I originally as a little kid came to Marvel via Spider-Man, but let's not get into that.) There is no way I'm ever going to be "Yay registration!" "Yay, government oversight!" works a lot better, but that raises its own set of issues, not least of which is how corrupt the US government/World Security Council has already been shown to be in the MCU, and also they're using Thunderbolt Ross! They want you to agree with that guy! Otoh, he's not wrong. They are vigilantes without SHIELD backing them up. So. Hopefully this goes somewhere interesting.
I also feel like making it Steve v. Tony is useless in the movies because, IN THE MOVIES, SINCE WHEN is Tony Steve's friend (I really side-eye that "So was I" in the movie. Like, really, Tony? I'm sure he'd choose his actual friends Pepper or Rhodey or Bruce or Happy over annoying work friend!Steve if he had to say who his friends were.), let alone at the ride or die level that Bucky (or even Sam and Natasha) is? Like, they're friendly work acquaintances in AOU. They don't have ten years (in-universe time) of partnership or whatever like they do in the comics to make their fighting emotionally powerful. And as much as I enjoy the panel where Bucky punches Tony in the crotch for getting Steve killed, I did not enjoy watching him and Steve beat Tony up. Have they finally figured out how to make Tony right in this situation? It sure looks like it, but I'm still inclined to be on Steve's side emotionally.
Now, if it were Natasha - Steve and Natasha's friendship is dear to my heart, so having her be on the other side (if she is not in fact a mole for Steve) hurts. That's where the emotion lies for me (and I would guess for Steve and Sam).
My personal preference is not ever for superheroes beating each other up (unless mind control etc.). I mostly find it tedious. Should they have disagreements and differences of opinion etc.? Of course! But I'd much rather see them work together while snarking or arguing than punching each other for what never turns out to be JUSTICE. (See also one of the many reasons I'm not enthused about Batman vs. Superman. I mean, they work so much better as boyfriends cranky odd couple partners.)
Interestingly enough, I sent the link to my niece this morning, who is a fan but not fannish about these movies, and because she's not overwhelmed with BUCKY FEELS the way I (and Steve) am(/is), she was uncomfortable with the infighting (which I honestly think we're supposed to be) and skeptical of the premise. So I guess we'll see.
Anyway, work is a bit frantic because I have committee packets to get out before we close early but I don't have the materials yet, so I'll stop there.
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angelgazing squeeing at me via text, I put a pause in my morning routine to watch. (I wasn't late for work, but only because my commute went as smoothly as it possibly could, likely due to a much lighter than normal commuter load because it's the day before Thanksgiving. I was totally willing to be late if necessary, though.)
Anyway! Age of Ultron really damaged my trust in these movies, so while I am totally squeeful, I'm also very tentative in my enthusiasm. So here's some cautious squeeing.
Wow, and I thought CATWS was subtitled ALL STEVE'S BUCKY FEELS. ALL OF THEM. When Steve is your BFF he really truly means FOREVER. TILL THE END OF THE LINE. HE WILL FIGHT YOU. AND YOU. AND YOU.
I mean, I've made all the arguments against doing Civil War in the MCU and how in order to work in the universe the movies have set up, this movie would have to be at least in part about how the post CATWS world deals with the "Bucky: traitor or POW?" question, and it seems like that is exactly what they've decided to do. Thank you, Russo brothers. I'm sure fandom will turn on you shortly, but for now, you have an excellent chance to redeem the mess that was AoU.
It looks likely that HYDRA/Brock Rumlow is responsible for whatever Bucky's being blamed for (no doubt an explosion that kills a bunch of civilians), and so Steve decides to take him on the run. And the thing is, one of my very favorite things about CATWS is that Steve saves the world before he saves Bucky. He doesn't say "to hell with the millions of people who are going to die, I'm going to try to save my BFF and let the world burn." When he realizes he can't convince Bucky not to fight, he makes taking the helicarriers down his first priority. Then he turns to rescuing Bucky and trying to get him to remember. So I'm not sure how I feel about Steve putting his friendship with Bucky first.
Otoh, I feel like Steve has been really close to breaking since Bucky died - I don't think he was ever actively suicidal, but I think that 1. putting the Valkyrie in the water without punching out, and 2. dropping the shield and deciding that not fighting was the best way to save Bucky (but also, he didn't really want to be in a world where he couldn't save Bucky again) are certainly indicative of a state of mind that is not really high on the joy of living.
It's like the speech Lt. Speirs gives in Band of Brothers: "The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it."
Well, okay, not exactly like that, because Steve never functions without any of those things (that's what the Bucky-as-the-Winter Soldier was meant to be), but he does kind of act like he's already dead a lot. *hands* He's never had his PTSD treated. He's never been able to reintegrate into a peacetime life. So I guess to me, I'm looking at this like it's him taking his Bucky and his Sam and going home (on the run. whatever, this is a metaphor.) because it's just one sacrifice too far.
I also think that, given the givens of how things ended with SHIELD (and ignoring the existence of new SHIELD on the tv show, since IT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN REVIVED THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF CATWS), he's right to be wary of some government lackey (who isn't Fury or Hill, who are technically no longer with the govt) who wants to oversee him. Like, that's the guy who persecuted the Hulk! And was conducting super soldier serum experiments! I mean, I don't know how much Steve knows via Bruce, but I feel like Steve should have some very complicated feelings about all of the various ways people in the MCU have tried to replicate him and, for the most part, failed. (I guess we'll find out if the chemicals/accident that gave Matt Murdock, Jessica Jones, and Luke Cage powers are part of a serum experiment that went awry, but I'm going to guess yes, and luckily they didn't turn into the Red Skull or the Abomination etc.)
On the other hand, there's what? eight known superheroes (not counting Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones), who WERE working for the govt (until it was revealed as HYDRA), so this is definitely a situation where Steve is set up as a guy who's gone rogue, and unlike in the comics, Tony's the one who is in the right here (at least on the surface; I can't imagine they'll make Steve totally wrong in his own movie, so there will probably be more corruption). I know what Tony's motivations were in the comics, but I can't get past what he actually did, and what the SHRA did, and not even getting into real world analogues of why it's a terrible idea, I originally came to Marvel via the X-Men movies. (Well, technically, I originally as a little kid came to Marvel via Spider-Man, but let's not get into that.) There is no way I'm ever going to be "Yay registration!" "Yay, government oversight!" works a lot better, but that raises its own set of issues, not least of which is how corrupt the US government/World Security Council has already been shown to be in the MCU, and also they're using Thunderbolt Ross! They want you to agree with that guy! Otoh, he's not wrong. They are vigilantes without SHIELD backing them up. So. Hopefully this goes somewhere interesting.
I also feel like making it Steve v. Tony is useless in the movies because, IN THE MOVIES, SINCE WHEN is Tony Steve's friend (I really side-eye that "So was I" in the movie. Like, really, Tony? I'm sure he'd choose his actual friends Pepper or Rhodey or Bruce or Happy over annoying work friend!Steve if he had to say who his friends were.), let alone at the ride or die level that Bucky (or even Sam and Natasha) is? Like, they're friendly work acquaintances in AOU. They don't have ten years (in-universe time) of partnership or whatever like they do in the comics to make their fighting emotionally powerful. And as much as I enjoy the panel where Bucky punches Tony in the crotch for getting Steve killed, I did not enjoy watching him and Steve beat Tony up. Have they finally figured out how to make Tony right in this situation? It sure looks like it, but I'm still inclined to be on Steve's side emotionally.
Now, if it were Natasha - Steve and Natasha's friendship is dear to my heart, so having her be on the other side (if she is not in fact a mole for Steve) hurts. That's where the emotion lies for me (and I would guess for Steve and Sam).
My personal preference is not ever for superheroes beating each other up (unless mind control etc.). I mostly find it tedious. Should they have disagreements and differences of opinion etc.? Of course! But I'd much rather see them work together while snarking or arguing than punching each other for what never turns out to be JUSTICE. (See also one of the many reasons I'm not enthused about Batman vs. Superman. I mean, they work so much better as boyfriends cranky odd couple partners.)
Interestingly enough, I sent the link to my niece this morning, who is a fan but not fannish about these movies, and because she's not overwhelmed with BUCKY FEELS the way I (and Steve) am(/is), she was uncomfortable with the infighting (which I honestly think we're supposed to be) and skeptical of the premise. So I guess we'll see.
Anyway, work is a bit frantic because I have committee packets to get out before we close early but I don't have the materials yet, so I'll stop there.
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