in the absence of advice
I'm 5100 words into the fake Christmas boyfriend and it's only now Christmas Eve. Clearly something is VERY WRONG. *whimper*
In other news, last night I had a lovely dinner with tenaciousmetoo, innie_darling, and dotfic, full of awesome fannish conversation, and during which I attempted to explain the Winter Soldier storyline. I am not sure I got across the sheer awesome of it? but maybe I did. They seemed intrigued, anyway. And our waiter offered to answer questions about Thor as well as the menu.
On the one hand, it still feels a little weird saying, "Yeah, Darcy and Clint are actually in the same movie but he only appears for five minutes and they never meet, but I'm totally writing epic shipfic about them" but on the other hand, 1. fandom (at least they're in the same movie!), and 2. comics. (also, 3. Jeremy Renner & Kat Dennings.)
I feel like anybody who gets really snitty about adhering closely to canon in comics fandoms (for whatever value of "closely" and "canon" they might subscribe to, which I think boils down to "the version they're most invested in," which is exactly my point) - and fandoms of movies based on comics fandoms, which are basically already just really expensive and authorized fanfic - really needs to take a step back and look at their canon. I mean, seriously. I felt this way when I was in XMM ten years ago and people complained about how movieverse wasn't like the comics because it didn't get things right, and I was like, "which right is that? the one where Jean Grey died on the moon?" Like, you can accept 616 and Age of Apocalypse, various elseworlds and what-ifs, and even published (if not technically in continuity) DCU/Marvel crossovers, but you can't accept that the movies are their own alternate universe? How does that even work?
Like, I can't even believe I'm going to say this, but can't we all just be Grant Morrison for a second, and figure that everything that has happened or will happen or is happening now will count when we want it to and not count when we don't want it to?
It's like Schrödinger's Red Hood - Jason could have red hair or he could have black hair (and he could have a white streak or he could not have a white streak. he could be a priest or a circus kid or street urchin. he could be Hush masquerading as Jason! He could be alive or he could be dead! All of these things are possible at any given moment! It's all up to you when you're writing your story!) and you just don't know 'til his helmet gets knocked off.
Which is why I side-eye when someone is like, "oh, that's just not plausible" when someone else tosses out a possible story idea, because HELLO, FANDOM. ARE YOU NEW? People write stories where characters are socks or penguins. I feel like a good writer can make it work. I may not be interested in reading it, but that doesn't mean it inherently can't be good.
Certainly, regarding comics anyway, the actual writers of canon don't let plausibility stop them, and they seem to pick and choose as much as anyone. I mean, all Batman's stuff has apparently stayed mostly the same in the reboot, but except for the basics, Superman's is different! By editorial fiat! And I'm supposed to worry about whether or not two characters have ever actually met? Are you for real?
So while I think it's important to make sure that any story you're telling is internally cohesive and coherent and has believable characterization within the range of believable characterization for a particular character (everybody sees characters and canons differently yada yada, mileage varies), I don't think something as small as "they never share screentime" should be a bar to hooking two people up. Hell, I write a lot of crossovers. I don't even think "they don't share a universe" is that much of a problem. *hands*
[obdisclaimer: this wasn't brought on by anything recent; no one has said anything disparaging to me. I was just thinking about it this morning instead of writing.]
In other news, I did a recs update:
unfitforsociety has been updated for December 2011 with 50 recs in 14 fandoms:
* 10 Push
* 8 Captain America
* 7 Harry Potter
* 6 Avengers movieverse
* 5 DCU
* 4 Young Avengers
* 4 Crossovers
* 3 X-Men First Class and 1 Sarah Connor Chronicles
* 2 Bridgerton series
Read, love, comment!
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people have commented there.
In other news, last night I had a lovely dinner with tenaciousmetoo, innie_darling, and dotfic, full of awesome fannish conversation, and during which I attempted to explain the Winter Soldier storyline. I am not sure I got across the sheer awesome of it? but maybe I did. They seemed intrigued, anyway. And our waiter offered to answer questions about Thor as well as the menu.
On the one hand, it still feels a little weird saying, "Yeah, Darcy and Clint are actually in the same movie but he only appears for five minutes and they never meet, but I'm totally writing epic shipfic about them" but on the other hand, 1. fandom (at least they're in the same movie!), and 2. comics. (also, 3. Jeremy Renner & Kat Dennings.)
I feel like anybody who gets really snitty about adhering closely to canon in comics fandoms (for whatever value of "closely" and "canon" they might subscribe to, which I think boils down to "the version they're most invested in," which is exactly my point) - and fandoms of movies based on comics fandoms, which are basically already just really expensive and authorized fanfic - really needs to take a step back and look at their canon. I mean, seriously. I felt this way when I was in XMM ten years ago and people complained about how movieverse wasn't like the comics because it didn't get things right, and I was like, "which right is that? the one where Jean Grey died on the moon?" Like, you can accept 616 and Age of Apocalypse, various elseworlds and what-ifs, and even published (if not technically in continuity) DCU/Marvel crossovers, but you can't accept that the movies are their own alternate universe? How does that even work?
Like, I can't even believe I'm going to say this, but can't we all just be Grant Morrison for a second, and figure that everything that has happened or will happen or is happening now will count when we want it to and not count when we don't want it to?
It's like Schrödinger's Red Hood - Jason could have red hair or he could have black hair (and he could have a white streak or he could not have a white streak. he could be a priest or a circus kid or street urchin. he could be Hush masquerading as Jason! He could be alive or he could be dead! All of these things are possible at any given moment! It's all up to you when you're writing your story!) and you just don't know 'til his helmet gets knocked off.
Which is why I side-eye when someone is like, "oh, that's just not plausible" when someone else tosses out a possible story idea, because HELLO, FANDOM. ARE YOU NEW? People write stories where characters are socks or penguins. I feel like a good writer can make it work. I may not be interested in reading it, but that doesn't mean it inherently can't be good.
Certainly, regarding comics anyway, the actual writers of canon don't let plausibility stop them, and they seem to pick and choose as much as anyone. I mean, all Batman's stuff has apparently stayed mostly the same in the reboot, but except for the basics, Superman's is different! By editorial fiat! And I'm supposed to worry about whether or not two characters have ever actually met? Are you for real?
So while I think it's important to make sure that any story you're telling is internally cohesive and coherent and has believable characterization within the range of believable characterization for a particular character (everybody sees characters and canons differently yada yada, mileage varies), I don't think something as small as "they never share screentime" should be a bar to hooking two people up. Hell, I write a lot of crossovers. I don't even think "they don't share a universe" is that much of a problem. *hands*
[obdisclaimer: this wasn't brought on by anything recent; no one has said anything disparaging to me. I was just thinking about it this morning instead of writing.]
In other news, I did a recs update:
unfitforsociety has been updated for December 2011 with 50 recs in 14 fandoms:
* 10 Push
* 8 Captain America
* 7 Harry Potter
* 6 Avengers movieverse
* 5 DCU
* 4 Young Avengers
* 4 Crossovers
* 3 X-Men First Class and 1 Sarah Connor Chronicles
* 2 Bridgerton series
Read, love, comment!
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people have commented there.