every breath i'm deeper into you

[musesfool]

Guys, I know this may be shocking, but when you have two guys in a threesome with a girl, and they're getting off on the other one being there and on watching each other have sex and stuff, even if they're not touching each other, they are engaging in homoerotic behavior. You can claim it's not boyslash (and technically maybe it's not, since girl

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[yasminke]

Exactly. Yep -- just had this discussion with someone on why it's not "entirely het" ... and why it's not really a "YMMV" if the narrator is silent about the voyeuristic homoeroticism.

[musesfool]

Yeah, I mean... I don't get it. I know this happens a lot in published romance fiction as well, because god forbid we insinuate that our romance heroes might have a touch of THE GAY OMG, but it's so ridiculously insulting and off-putting.

And in the latter case, I can't imagine people who are truly squicked by incest not being put off by it as well.

[yasminke]

I don't get it either. Perhaps it's the suggestion that voyeurism doesn't affect sexuality (which I've heard argued). And, then again, huh? Maybe it's like the cone of silence, the cone of bi-sexuality/homosexuality.

Also, the incest arguers who don't see a threesome with siblings as equally off-putting? Do not get. I kind of think it's grosser: getting off (or joining in) while a sibling has sex with your g/b-friend? How can they not see it as simply circumnavigating the rules?

[musesfool]

voyeurism doesn't affect sexuality (which I've heard argued)

Okay, see, I can go with the notion that watching sex is sexy, regardless of the genders of the people involved, but at a certain point, when you've moved from porn to actively participating, you've crossed from fantasizing to acting, and there I'd say you're engaging in homoerotic (if not homosexual) acts.

Clearly, sexuality is complicated yada yada, but I don't think you have to be Kinsey to follow that.

the incest arguers who don't see a threesome with siblings as equally off-putting? Do not get. I kind of think it's grosser: getting off (or joining in) while a sibling has sex with your g/b-friend? How can they not see it as simply circumnavigating the rules?

I think that's the idea, though - technically, it's not incest so they can find it hot and not be like those gross people who get off on incest porn.

[yasminke]

Watching sex is sexy and provocative, but as you say -- once you move from observation to participation then you've crossed a boundary.

Even Kinsey can't follow Kinsey. There was just an article about him. Somewhere (this week is a blur)

And experimenting =/= permanent lifestyle/sexuality choice.

technically, it's not incest

Well, technically, it's not even real, so whatever. All they're doing is shifting lines in the sands to suit their own agenda. As soon as someone they don't like steps into their part of the beach, they'll cry foul and move the lines again.

Wow. I don't like people today, do I?

Sorry