Manly action figures xD Are you leaving the MIB one as is, or are you dressing him up like Dean or something? I remember you were looking for clothes, but I can't remember exactly why.
And damn... that IS an epic fic! I can't imagine ever writing a fic that long. I'm not sure what the longest one I've ever written was, but I know it was around 120 hand written pages, and I write small on college ruled paper :P This was waaaaaaay back before I had a laptop or a computer that wasn't running Windows 95 or lower... so yeah xD Terrible story anyway.
I really need to drop this characterization and work on my outline... it's just that I don't know exactly how I'm going to go about a handful of things, and when I start trying to think about it all at once to outline it I get discouraged and think I'm never going to produce anything that's any good because I can't get my head straight... and then I stop for a while. I tend to stress out and then go into an, "I suck and all my writing is garbage," mode very quickly. I think it's the plight of almost any artist though, thinking your work sucks. Luckily I'm not stupid enough to delete the files when I feel down about it :P
MIB is probably going to gather dust in my closet or find himself with a pretty red mustang. I've pretty much given up on Jacofer's clothes. :(
There's a bunch of stuff that's been added to my book since I wrote the outline. Events have been moved or changed or added to. I had an idea for two sequels once, but they ere crappy, so I dropped them but moved a couple of subplots into this book and I think that what I'm trying to say is that outlines aren't necessarily our friends and can change at any moment, so don't get so discouraged. I'm sure it'll be great!
Awww... poor War MIB. And Jacofer. I wonder how hard it'd be to pick up some scrap fabric (like get an old shirt in the color/pattern you wanted from a thrift store) and sew some clothes by hand. I've made Cabbage Patch Kid clothes back in the day (I know, loser me... I even have one named Dean *coughs* and another one with blonde hair and blue eyes... they're in storage, don't judge me! xD). Those weren't hard to make though. Man, now I want to drag them out of storage and dress them up like Dean and Nick. Stupid brain!
You know I'm going to wind up reading your book and then I'm going to cry because there AREN'T any sequels planned, right? :P Because when I like something and I finish it and that's it? I get bummed, lol. I think that's part of the reason why I don't read more... I get so into something that when it's over I want more. And that's just depressing :P
Outlines aren't necessarily friends, but they do help on some level... I'll feel a lot better once I get at least the major points down into some semblance of order rather than having them just floating around in my head/on my character sheets in snippets. I think the reason it's so hard for me to stay focused and not get discouraged is because I really don't have a lot of things planned out that are very important. For instance, I don't know where Lucifer's story begins... and that's a problem. I don't know if I'm starting from the very beginning before things happened, or if I'm going to start with him waking up on Earth freshly out of hell and wondering what in the hell happened. If I do it that way I'll have to weave what really happened in throughout the whole book though, because it needs to be known what happened versus what people THINK happened. I can't rely on knowledge of biblical canon here, because I've changed it so much. The other thought I had was to do a short prologue showing the moment leading up to when Michael cast him down, and the whole action sequence... and then weaving the whole story in later in pieces. The only problem there is I've never really done a prologue and I'm not sure how I feel about them or what their true purpose is if there IS one other than giving you some backstory ahead of time.
I also don't know how my story ends... that's not super awesome either :P I know how the whole Lucifer/Michael thing goes, because it's inevitable that they meet up again. Lucifer WANTS to meet up with him again... AND God. Because he believes there's been some mistake, and that Michael either misinterpreted God's orders or that Michael took things into his own hands and did these things himself. He really wants to believe God couldn't have done this to him. So even though I know how THAT showdown is going to go, I don't know where it's going after that. Luci's not getting back in, I know that. But to just leave him on Earth with Gabriel with no semblance of a plan... seems odd. It seems logical that at that point when there's nothing else to do, you'd just go on existing... but it doesn't seem like an exciting end to a book xD
Thanks for the vote of confidence by the way :) It means a lot to know people are even interested in the idea... it makes me feel like I'm not putting effort into garbage, and that's important :P
If I was crafty, I could probably make clothes for him. I know they have some on eBay. If I hadn't spent all my money at Jersey!Con, I'd probably be able to buy some :P
An idea for a sequel hit me outta the blue the other day, but I'm not sure if I'll go through with it. I'd really like to do a Christmas epilogue with God in the mix ("I didn't get you anything this year because 2,000 years ago I maxed all of my credit cards on that 'eternal salvation' thing. You're welcome." "But I've been praying for an Easy Bake Oven since I was six!"), or a meet the parents type of thing where Jessie's folks stop by for a visit ("We're normal." "Your Dad just apparated in our kitchen."). IDK. My brain has issues.
There was a prologue in mine that I axed. It involved God Jacob saving a little girl in a hospital when Lu was released. There was going to be a line sometimes later about everyone in the hospital being healed by the burst of angelic energy, but it didn't work out. I know a lot of people say to begin at the beginning, but in media res is always a good way to go to. Then again, I'm a big fan of fleshing characters out with dialogue, and that's probably boring.
I'm glad there's someone else who doesn't know the exact ending of their story. I know what's going to lead up to it, and how everything's going to play out for everyone, but the exact reasonings and conversations and everything aren't really coming to me (though I think Jake's gonna give Lu a chance to go home right away and Lu's going to tell him that it wouldn't be much of a cheesy fairy tale ending if he went to Heaven and left Jessie alone - I want something about the predictability of that relationship in there).
I'm crafty :P It'd probably be easy if there was a pattern out there, and if they're Barbie/Ken sized there probably is. Otherwise it'd just be a matter of undoing the stitching on the clothes they come with, tracing each piece, and then making a pattern from that with slight alterations.
LMAO! Both ideas are hilarious... God disappointing little kids is fantastic, but so is the thought of Lucifer having to hang out with Jessie's parents xD I can't imagine they'd love him all that much. Your brain might have issues, but they're ones I'm completely fine fostering because they're fun :P
I think I have a hard time not using too much dialogue sometimes... I really have to work hard to focus on descriptive paragraphs or actions. It's weird because I really think I'm better suited for scripts sometimes. When I plan a scene out in my head, I see the characters moving as if they're actors playing the part and I hear the inflections in their voices... but it's really hard to get all of that into text. I think that's where I get discouraged. I know if I was able to act the scene out the way I wanted it, it'd probably be received better :P
And I actually think beginning at the beginning is kind of a choice rather than a concrete good idea... I see nothing wrong with beginning some place else really, I just don't know what's right for my book. I almost wonder if I should try a prologue, but then again it almost seems like prologues are weirdly random at the start and seem to have nothing to do with the main characters... at least from what I've read, which I guess isn't much. I'm thinking I'll either start with Lucifer waking up on Earth and weave the past in later in snippets, or write a prologue to at least show little bits of what's going on prior to the main storyline and THEN have him wake up and weave the rest later.
Woo! *high fives* I'm glad that there's someone further along than me that doesn't know how their story ends either... I think I just feel like I need to know EVERYTHING all at once before I start, and really it's not the case. That's not the way I write fic either. I just start with a very vague idea and see where my brain takes me. So the odds of me not wanting to change the ending even slightly by the time I'm there aren't very good :P
Does Lu actually want to go back home after everything in yours? He still wants to go home in mine, but he knows it'll probably never happen. Deep down, he knows that God ordered this to happen to him and that things can never be repaired... but he forces a part of himself to always distance from that theory, intent on not drawing any conclusions until he hears it straight from God himself. Poor in denial Luci.
Oh, thank Chuck there's someone else who sees stories as movies in her head.
Lu's whole goal in the beginning was to wipe out humanity and prove his Father wrong. When the world started to burn, humanity's true nature would come out, and God would have to admit that He was wrong and Lu and the other fallen angels could go home. needles to say, he was wrong.
Yes yes! Always as movies, which if you ask me makes it so much harder to be satisfied with a scene... you always picture it so perfectly it seems, but then struggle to get it out exactly as you pictured it. At least that's my problem :P
Wow, it's pretty good that Lucifer was evil at the start of your story but he's still given a chance to go home... he's not so lucky in mine.
Mine never wanted to wipe out humanity or trump his father or anything like that. He was given the order to bow to humans because they were essentially better than him, and he was the only angel to say, "Why?" That's it. He didn't say he wanted to kill them... never even thought about it. He didn't want to overthrow his father and prove anything. He just wanted to know why, because he couldn't fathom it. And because he was in the wrong place of power at the wrong time and the only one who spoke up and didn't do as they were asked without asking questions... there he went. And yet he can't come back. Go figure :P
Well, when your book gets made into a movie, it'll be just as awesome as you pictured it (because it will have great source material to draw from). I'm going to insist on casting Marksha as God in mine. Everyone else is up for grabs, but Mark must play "Jacob."
The only real reason I think I started writing mine, is that I wanted Lucifer to have a redemption arc in Supernatural, and they didn't give him one. So I did. Seriously, I think that's how this started.
I just wrote the scene today where Lu recounts his past to Jessie, and actually teared up. He doesn't necessarily hate humans, and isn't jealous of them; he's just hurt. He thought his Father loved him, and then God didn't even bother to throw him out personally (He kicked all the other angels out Himself, but let Mike take care of Lu). Now everyone feels kinda bad about it, Lu included.
Yeah, that'd be wicked as long as I got to adapt the screenplay too... and I doubt I could cast Mark as anyone but Lucifer :P He just IS Lucifer for me. Seriously. He's part of the inspiration for my character anyway, and he could easily fit his description with a few minor alterations... nothing makeup couldn't accomplish since I doubt I'd ever find someone as beaten up and scarred as Luci is in my book, lol. At least I'd hope not.
Awwwww, poor Luci in your book :( I'm probably going to bawl when I get to that point... I don't care how bad he was, I still feel for the guy. I guess I relate on a lot of levels. I know what it's like to have a dad who doesn't care, and to have a family who disowns you and leaves you out with the trash :/ He just needs a great big hug... and at the very least Jessie seems to at least want to give him a chance. That makes me happy, even if he is pretty messed up as a result of what happened.
And damn... that IS an epic fic! I can't imagine ever writing a fic that long. I'm not sure what the longest one I've ever written was, but I know it was around 120 hand written pages, and I write small on college ruled paper :P This was waaaaaaay back before I had a laptop or a computer that wasn't running Windows 95 or lower... so yeah xD Terrible story anyway.
I really need to drop this characterization and work on my outline... it's just that I don't know exactly how I'm going to go about a handful of things, and when I start trying to think about it all at once to outline it I get discouraged and think I'm never going to produce anything that's any good because I can't get my head straight... and then I stop for a while. I tend to stress out and then go into an, "I suck and all my writing is garbage," mode very quickly. I think it's the plight of almost any artist though, thinking your work sucks. Luckily I'm not stupid enough to delete the files when I feel down about it :P
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There's a bunch of stuff that's been added to my book since I wrote the outline. Events have been moved or changed or added to. I had an idea for two sequels once, but they ere crappy, so I dropped them but moved a couple of subplots into this book and I think that what I'm trying to say is that outlines aren't necessarily our friends and can change at any moment, so don't get so discouraged. I'm sure it'll be great!
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You know I'm going to wind up reading your book and then I'm going to cry because there AREN'T any sequels planned, right? :P Because when I like something and I finish it and that's it? I get bummed, lol. I think that's part of the reason why I don't read more... I get so into something that when it's over I want more. And that's just depressing :P
Outlines aren't necessarily friends, but they do help on some level... I'll feel a lot better once I get at least the major points down into some semblance of order rather than having them just floating around in my head/on my character sheets in snippets. I think the reason it's so hard for me to stay focused and not get discouraged is because I really don't have a lot of things planned out that are very important. For instance, I don't know where Lucifer's story begins... and that's a problem. I don't know if I'm starting from the very beginning before things happened, or if I'm going to start with him waking up on Earth freshly out of hell and wondering what in the hell happened. If I do it that way I'll have to weave what really happened in throughout the whole book though, because it needs to be known what happened versus what people THINK happened. I can't rely on knowledge of biblical canon here, because I've changed it so much. The other thought I had was to do a short prologue showing the moment leading up to when Michael cast him down, and the whole action sequence... and then weaving the whole story in later in pieces. The only problem there is I've never really done a prologue and I'm not sure how I feel about them or what their true purpose is if there IS one other than giving you some backstory ahead of time.
I also don't know how my story ends... that's not super awesome either :P I know how the whole Lucifer/Michael thing goes, because it's inevitable that they meet up again. Lucifer WANTS to meet up with him again... AND God. Because he believes there's been some mistake, and that Michael either misinterpreted God's orders or that Michael took things into his own hands and did these things himself. He really wants to believe God couldn't have done this to him. So even though I know how THAT showdown is going to go, I don't know where it's going after that. Luci's not getting back in, I know that. But to just leave him on Earth with Gabriel with no semblance of a plan... seems odd. It seems logical that at that point when there's nothing else to do, you'd just go on existing... but it doesn't seem like an exciting end to a book xD
Thanks for the vote of confidence by the way :) It means a lot to know people are even interested in the idea... it makes me feel like I'm not putting effort into garbage, and that's important :P
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An idea for a sequel hit me outta the blue the other day, but I'm not sure if I'll go through with it. I'd really like to do a Christmas epilogue with God in the mix ("I didn't get you anything this year because 2,000 years ago I maxed all of my credit cards on that 'eternal salvation' thing. You're welcome." "But I've been praying for an Easy Bake Oven since I was six!"), or a meet the parents type of thing where Jessie's folks stop by for a visit ("We're normal." "Your Dad just apparated in our kitchen."). IDK. My brain has issues.
There was a prologue in mine that I axed. It involved God Jacob saving a little girl in a hospital when Lu was released. There was going to be a line sometimes later about everyone in the hospital being healed by the burst of angelic energy, but it didn't work out. I know a lot of people say to begin at the beginning, but in media res is always a good way to go to. Then again, I'm a big fan of fleshing characters out with dialogue, and that's probably boring.
I'm glad there's someone else who doesn't know the exact ending of their story. I know what's going to lead up to it, and how everything's going to play out for everyone, but the exact reasonings and conversations and everything aren't really coming to me (though I think Jake's gonna give Lu a chance to go home right away and Lu's going to tell him that it wouldn't be much of a cheesy fairy tale ending if he went to Heaven and left Jessie alone - I want something about the predictability of that relationship in there).
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LMAO! Both ideas are hilarious... God disappointing little kids is fantastic, but so is the thought of Lucifer having to hang out with Jessie's parents xD I can't imagine they'd love him all that much. Your brain might have issues, but they're ones I'm completely fine fostering because they're fun :P
I think I have a hard time not using too much dialogue sometimes... I really have to work hard to focus on descriptive paragraphs or actions. It's weird because I really think I'm better suited for scripts sometimes. When I plan a scene out in my head, I see the characters moving as if they're actors playing the part and I hear the inflections in their voices... but it's really hard to get all of that into text. I think that's where I get discouraged. I know if I was able to act the scene out the way I wanted it, it'd probably be received better :P
And I actually think beginning at the beginning is kind of a choice rather than a concrete good idea... I see nothing wrong with beginning some place else really, I just don't know what's right for my book. I almost wonder if I should try a prologue, but then again it almost seems like prologues are weirdly random at the start and seem to have nothing to do with the main characters... at least from what I've read, which I guess isn't much. I'm thinking I'll either start with Lucifer waking up on Earth and weave the past in later in snippets, or write a prologue to at least show little bits of what's going on prior to the main storyline and THEN have him wake up and weave the rest later.
Woo! *high fives* I'm glad that there's someone further along than me that doesn't know how their story ends either... I think I just feel like I need to know EVERYTHING all at once before I start, and really it's not the case. That's not the way I write fic either. I just start with a very vague idea and see where my brain takes me. So the odds of me not wanting to change the ending even slightly by the time I'm there aren't very good :P
Does Lu actually want to go back home after everything in yours? He still wants to go home in mine, but he knows it'll probably never happen. Deep down, he knows that God ordered this to happen to him and that things can never be repaired... but he forces a part of himself to always distance from that theory, intent on not drawing any conclusions until he hears it straight from God himself. Poor in denial Luci.
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Lu's whole goal in the beginning was to wipe out humanity and prove his Father wrong. When the world started to burn, humanity's true nature would come out, and God would have to admit that He was wrong and Lu and the other fallen angels could go home. needles to say, he was wrong.
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Wow, it's pretty good that Lucifer was evil at the start of your story but he's still given a chance to go home... he's not so lucky in mine.
Mine never wanted to wipe out humanity or trump his father or anything like that. He was given the order to bow to humans because they were essentially better than him, and he was the only angel to say, "Why?" That's it. He didn't say he wanted to kill them... never even thought about it. He didn't want to overthrow his father and prove anything. He just wanted to know why, because he couldn't fathom it. And because he was in the wrong place of power at the wrong time and the only one who spoke up and didn't do as they were asked without asking questions... there he went. And yet he can't come back. Go figure :P
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The only real reason I think I started writing mine, is that I wanted Lucifer to have a redemption arc in Supernatural, and they didn't give him one. So I did. Seriously, I think that's how this started.
I just wrote the scene today where Lu recounts his past to Jessie, and actually teared up. He doesn't necessarily hate humans, and isn't jealous of them; he's just hurt. He thought his Father loved him, and then God didn't even bother to throw him out personally (He kicked all the other angels out Himself, but let Mike take care of Lu). Now everyone feels kinda bad about it, Lu included.
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Awwwww, poor Luci in your book :( I'm probably going to bawl when I get to that point... I don't care how bad he was, I still feel for the guy. I guess I relate on a lot of levels. I know what it's like to have a dad who doesn't care, and to have a family who disowns you and leaves you out with the trash :/ He just needs a great big hug... and at the very least Jessie seems to at least want to give him a chance. That makes me happy, even if he is pretty messed up as a result of what happened.
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