Meta: Lindsey as Lucifer (or, Has Sam Diddled The Devil?)
A meta on the liklihood of Lindsey the bartender being the Devil in disguise, and what it means for Sam as far letting Satan rape him in.
Meta: Lindsey as Lucifer
5.03. Lucifer impersonates Jess to get close to Sam in his dreams because Sam is hidden from angels. However, this can’t stop an angel from finding Sam if Sam’s location is known. So my theory is that a demon in the Oklahoma town Sam was staying in had seen him. Whether this demon is Lindsey in the beginning or not can be debated, but I believe that by the time Sam had his first dream of Jess (one week after arriving), Lindsey was Luci and Luci was Lindsey.
The first thing I did was look up the meaning of Lindsey’s name, looking for some meaningful connection. It means, “from the lake settlement island.” Rev. 20:10 - “And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
The first time we really see Lindsey, she’s watching Sam. She’s watching Sam clean the bar top, and she’s smiling. Either because he’s wearing a t-shirt (that’s why I’m smiling), or because he’s him, it’s impossible to know. I’d like to believe is the instance of a demon finding Sam. Why was the demon in town in the first place? Why are demons ever anywhere? It’s revealed later that there actually IS a hunt near the town, so that may have something to do with it.
Some superficial things before we get going: Lindsey looks a lot like Jess/Ruby v. 1.0. She has wavy blonde hair and a pretty face. She’s also got the Ruby-thing going for her with the jewelry. She’s wearing a necklace that I can’t see clearly enough to actually identify, but the large necklaces was definitely a Ruby thing. She also reminds me of Jo. A sweet, innocent bartender who gets dragged into the world of hunting and is almost killed because of Sam.
The next time we see Lindsey is, I truly believe, after she’s been replaced by Lucifer, who would have come running after the demon (whether possessing Lindsey or not) informed him of Sam’s location.
She asks Keith if he plays darts. Tells him he’s playing for world peace. It’s a joking tone, but let’s remember Luci’s man objective here: rid the world of humanity and take Earth back to the beautiful creation that God had made (according to a Kripke interview, around the time of ComicCon, I believe).
More can also be read into her “when I win…” line. Obviously, in the moment, she’s asking him to a game of darts, but there’s more than just a little pride, more than just a little confidence in her voice. Watch, too, as she watches Sam take aim and throw, rising to her challenge. He’s showing off skills he learned from his father and brother - skills that every hunter needs and that Azazel loved seeing in Sam. Can’t have him weak and flabby. Gotta keep those reflexes sharp.
Then the news comes on. Lindsey was praises Sam for his mysterious ways and his ability to shoot darts while the volume on the TV went up. The news reporter is talking about the freak hail, lightning, and fire as Sam is turning toward the TV. At the description of the destruction, Lindsey says “I like it.” Obviously about Sam’s mysterious nature, but the timing would imply the things being said on the news report.
Side note: the channel reporting this Apocalyptic destruction is channel 6.
The next time we see Lindsey, three hunters are coming into the bar and calling Sam by his real name. This makes her look confused/nervous, and she calls him on his lie.
The conversation Sam has with the hunters is pretty straightforward. They talk about the demon problem that Sam’s found near-by (again, why there might be demons hanging out in the town Sam settled in).
Then Lindsey shows up again. She tells him they’re going to dinner. This leads to the exchange that made me start to think that there truly is more to Lindsey than meets the eyes.
Sam: Lindsey, I can’t.
Lindsey: No. The only way to avoid bloodshed is to say yes.
Later in the episode, we get a similar exchange between Lucifer and Sam.
Lucifer: I will never lie to you. I will never trick you. But you will say yes to me.
Also, the exchange between Nick and Lucifer in 5.01.
Lucifer: I won’t lie to you. I don’t need to. What I need, is you, Nick. I need you to say yes.
Nick: Then, yes.
The word definitely holds some weight n the Supernatural universe. And taking Lindsey out to dinner (especially considering what happens to most women that Sam winds up attracted to) holds weight for Sam. It means he’s moving on, creating a life of his own, something new. And that something new just might involve being the vessel for the Devil.
I’ve read meta before on the use of circular light as background fixtures of angels, representing the halos. As we pan across the diner (the same one from 4.01 where we first see Sam use his hand of Ipecac?), we see a circular reflection of light in the sneeze guard directly behind Lindsey.
Lindsey, in this scene is also eating a salad. Yeah, I know, that probably doesn’t mean much, but the more I look at her necklace, the more the charms look like leaves. And, at first, that made me think of the fig leaves Adam and Eve used to *ahem* hide their nakedness - their true selves - from each other and the Lord.
However, Cain, Adam’s son (who is sometimes attributed to Lilith, instead of Eve), was a grower of gardens, while his brother Abel tended lambs. There was a whole sacrifice debacle, and Cain killed Abel. This has been an underlying theme in Supernatural for years, and Cain has always been associated with Sam (thanks, in no small part, to Azazel). Could Lindsey’s salad be a reference to Cain’s specialty before God cursed him?
She asks Sam what his “poison” was, meaning drugs. She then shows off her AA token, revealing herself to be a former alcoholic who works in a bar. In essence, she is surrounded by temptation.
On the surface, Lindsey is letting Sam know that it’s ok to be a demon hunter when he’s just gotten off the blood. Digging deeper, though, we can find subtle hints to THE temptation.
The use of the word poison - to me, at least - conjures images of poisoned apples, as in Snow White. Admittedly, this could be because I just read a poison apple fic the other day, but regardless… the apple is, by popular culture and paintings, stories, etc., the fruit that the serpent (connected, for some reason, to Satan) tempted Eve with. Yes, the fruit was probably a fig, and Biblically, the serpent wasn’t connected to the Devil, but pop culture prevails.
What we see here is Sam being tempted to open up, to let Lindsey - the sympathetic figure - inside.
She then continues to try and gain Sam’s trust.
Lindsey: Look, “Keith.” I don’t know you, and I’m the last person to be giving advice, but I do know that no one has ever done anything so bad, they can’t be forgiven. That they can’t change.
I don’t even think this needs elaboration. Again, on he surface, it’s used to buck Sam up and make him think about returning to Dean. Deeper, it could easily be something that Lucifer would say. I especially like the part about change. Lucifer changing from angel to demon. Sam changing from hunter to hunted. From anti-Christ to vessel. From Sam to Lucifer.
Skipping ahead, past some really cool Dean/Cas stuff…
Two of three hunters return. The first thing I noticed upon re-watching the scene, looking for specifics, is color. Blue cleaning solution, blue shirt. Blue is associated with angels. As are circular lights. Kinda like the ones hanging over the bar where Lindsey is later threatened.
Yeah.
The hunter explains to Sam that they “went into town, captured themselves a demon, and got jumped by ten more.” He tells Sam that the demon (a “he”) told them things about Sam. Things that they believe as truth.
His friend then comes in with Lindsey. How they caught her is never actually explained.
When we come to the bar, the second hunter is holding a knife to Lindsey’s neck, and above her head, in the background, shines the neon of a blue light.
Another side note: Lindsey is now wearing a brown leather(ish?) jacket. Conjuring up images of Dean. So far, she’s looked the part of people that Sam trusts or trusted, and arguable misses: Jess, Ruby, Jo, Dean. This is important, as wardrobe apparently decided that Mark Pellegrino and Jeffery Dean Morgan are roughly the same size, and clothes can be recycled (as in, Lucifer’s clothing in this episode is exactly what John wore in 1.22).
Also, I know it has nothing to do with Lindsey, but did anyone else notice that when “Jess” is calling Sam’s name to “wake him up,” a hissing sound is audible under her voice? Muy cool.
Finally, Lucifer reveals himself (as Jess) to Sam, and says that Sam is a hard one to find. “I don’t suppose you’d tell me where you are?” Implying, of course, that he doesn’t know. Which would explain the dreams. Back in 4.10 (or, the Episode Which Shall Not Be Named), Sam and Dean hid themselves from the angels using hex bags, but Uriel was still able to find Dean in his dreams.
However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that Luci isn’t there. After all, Nick’s seduction was both a dream and reality. “You’re dreaming, Nick. But that doesn’t mean this isn’t real.” He was hovering then, circling Nick without being seen. Both there, and not there. It’s completely possible that he knew where Sam is, is really there, in town, and is using the same methods (dead lover, promise of truth and justice) that he used on Nick.
Let’s look at that creepy-ass conversation that these two have, now, because it echoes back to Lindsey’s in the diner.
Sam: No. That’ll never happen.
Lucifer: I’m sorry, but it will. I will find you. And when I do, you will let me in. I’m sure of it…. Sam. My heart breaks for you… I will never lie to you. I will never trick you. But you will say yes to me.
Mirroring, not only Sam’s conversation in the diner with Lindsey, where she is sympathetic to his plight and slowly but surely worms her way into his confidence, but the scene in the bar I quoted earlier.
Sam: Lindsey, I can’t.
Lindsey: No. The only way to avoid bloodshed is to say yes.
All in all, it’s pretty open to interpretation, but I’m gonna put on my crazy!tinhat and believe that Lindsey was Lucifer throughout the episode (except for that small time during the montage). Probably because it just seems to fit. Mostly because I ship Sam/Lucifer and there’s deleted scene from the episode where Sam ad Lindsey had sex.
Whatever.
Meta: Lindsey as Lucifer
5.03. Lucifer impersonates Jess to get close to Sam in his dreams because Sam is hidden from angels. However, this can’t stop an angel from finding Sam if Sam’s location is known. So my theory is that a demon in the Oklahoma town Sam was staying in had seen him. Whether this demon is Lindsey in the beginning or not can be debated, but I believe that by the time Sam had his first dream of Jess (one week after arriving), Lindsey was Luci and Luci was Lindsey.
The first thing I did was look up the meaning of Lindsey’s name, looking for some meaningful connection. It means, “from the lake settlement island.” Rev. 20:10 - “And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
The first time we really see Lindsey, she’s watching Sam. She’s watching Sam clean the bar top, and she’s smiling. Either because he’s wearing a t-shirt (that’s why I’m smiling), or because he’s him, it’s impossible to know. I’d like to believe is the instance of a demon finding Sam. Why was the demon in town in the first place? Why are demons ever anywhere? It’s revealed later that there actually IS a hunt near the town, so that may have something to do with it.
Some superficial things before we get going: Lindsey looks a lot like Jess/Ruby v. 1.0. She has wavy blonde hair and a pretty face. She’s also got the Ruby-thing going for her with the jewelry. She’s wearing a necklace that I can’t see clearly enough to actually identify, but the large necklaces was definitely a Ruby thing. She also reminds me of Jo. A sweet, innocent bartender who gets dragged into the world of hunting and is almost killed because of Sam.
The next time we see Lindsey is, I truly believe, after she’s been replaced by Lucifer, who would have come running after the demon (whether possessing Lindsey or not) informed him of Sam’s location.
She asks Keith if he plays darts. Tells him he’s playing for world peace. It’s a joking tone, but let’s remember Luci’s man objective here: rid the world of humanity and take Earth back to the beautiful creation that God had made (according to a Kripke interview, around the time of ComicCon, I believe).
More can also be read into her “when I win…” line. Obviously, in the moment, she’s asking him to a game of darts, but there’s more than just a little pride, more than just a little confidence in her voice. Watch, too, as she watches Sam take aim and throw, rising to her challenge. He’s showing off skills he learned from his father and brother - skills that every hunter needs and that Azazel loved seeing in Sam. Can’t have him weak and flabby. Gotta keep those reflexes sharp.
Then the news comes on. Lindsey was praises Sam for his mysterious ways and his ability to shoot darts while the volume on the TV went up. The news reporter is talking about the freak hail, lightning, and fire as Sam is turning toward the TV. At the description of the destruction, Lindsey says “I like it.” Obviously about Sam’s mysterious nature, but the timing would imply the things being said on the news report.
Side note: the channel reporting this Apocalyptic destruction is channel 6.
The next time we see Lindsey, three hunters are coming into the bar and calling Sam by his real name. This makes her look confused/nervous, and she calls him on his lie.
The conversation Sam has with the hunters is pretty straightforward. They talk about the demon problem that Sam’s found near-by (again, why there might be demons hanging out in the town Sam settled in).
Then Lindsey shows up again. She tells him they’re going to dinner. This leads to the exchange that made me start to think that there truly is more to Lindsey than meets the eyes.
Sam: Lindsey, I can’t.
Lindsey: No. The only way to avoid bloodshed is to say yes.
Later in the episode, we get a similar exchange between Lucifer and Sam.
Lucifer: I will never lie to you. I will never trick you. But you will say yes to me.
Also, the exchange between Nick and Lucifer in 5.01.
Lucifer: I won’t lie to you. I don’t need to. What I need, is you, Nick. I need you to say yes.
Nick: Then, yes.
The word definitely holds some weight n the Supernatural universe. And taking Lindsey out to dinner (especially considering what happens to most women that Sam winds up attracted to) holds weight for Sam. It means he’s moving on, creating a life of his own, something new. And that something new just might involve being the vessel for the Devil.
I’ve read meta before on the use of circular light as background fixtures of angels, representing the halos. As we pan across the diner (the same one from 4.01 where we first see Sam use his hand of Ipecac?), we see a circular reflection of light in the sneeze guard directly behind Lindsey.
Lindsey, in this scene is also eating a salad. Yeah, I know, that probably doesn’t mean much, but the more I look at her necklace, the more the charms look like leaves. And, at first, that made me think of the fig leaves Adam and Eve used to *ahem* hide their nakedness - their true selves - from each other and the Lord.
However, Cain, Adam’s son (who is sometimes attributed to Lilith, instead of Eve), was a grower of gardens, while his brother Abel tended lambs. There was a whole sacrifice debacle, and Cain killed Abel. This has been an underlying theme in Supernatural for years, and Cain has always been associated with Sam (thanks, in no small part, to Azazel). Could Lindsey’s salad be a reference to Cain’s specialty before God cursed him?
She asks Sam what his “poison” was, meaning drugs. She then shows off her AA token, revealing herself to be a former alcoholic who works in a bar. In essence, she is surrounded by temptation.
On the surface, Lindsey is letting Sam know that it’s ok to be a demon hunter when he’s just gotten off the blood. Digging deeper, though, we can find subtle hints to THE temptation.
The use of the word poison - to me, at least - conjures images of poisoned apples, as in Snow White. Admittedly, this could be because I just read a poison apple fic the other day, but regardless… the apple is, by popular culture and paintings, stories, etc., the fruit that the serpent (connected, for some reason, to Satan) tempted Eve with. Yes, the fruit was probably a fig, and Biblically, the serpent wasn’t connected to the Devil, but pop culture prevails.
What we see here is Sam being tempted to open up, to let Lindsey - the sympathetic figure - inside.
She then continues to try and gain Sam’s trust.
Lindsey: Look, “Keith.” I don’t know you, and I’m the last person to be giving advice, but I do know that no one has ever done anything so bad, they can’t be forgiven. That they can’t change.
I don’t even think this needs elaboration. Again, on he surface, it’s used to buck Sam up and make him think about returning to Dean. Deeper, it could easily be something that Lucifer would say. I especially like the part about change. Lucifer changing from angel to demon. Sam changing from hunter to hunted. From anti-Christ to vessel. From Sam to Lucifer.
Skipping ahead, past some really cool Dean/Cas stuff…
Two of three hunters return. The first thing I noticed upon re-watching the scene, looking for specifics, is color. Blue cleaning solution, blue shirt. Blue is associated with angels. As are circular lights. Kinda like the ones hanging over the bar where Lindsey is later threatened.
Yeah.
The hunter explains to Sam that they “went into town, captured themselves a demon, and got jumped by ten more.” He tells Sam that the demon (a “he”) told them things about Sam. Things that they believe as truth.
His friend then comes in with Lindsey. How they caught her is never actually explained.
When we come to the bar, the second hunter is holding a knife to Lindsey’s neck, and above her head, in the background, shines the neon of a blue light.
Another side note: Lindsey is now wearing a brown leather(ish?) jacket. Conjuring up images of Dean. So far, she’s looked the part of people that Sam trusts or trusted, and arguable misses: Jess, Ruby, Jo, Dean. This is important, as wardrobe apparently decided that Mark Pellegrino and Jeffery Dean Morgan are roughly the same size, and clothes can be recycled (as in, Lucifer’s clothing in this episode is exactly what John wore in 1.22).
Also, I know it has nothing to do with Lindsey, but did anyone else notice that when “Jess” is calling Sam’s name to “wake him up,” a hissing sound is audible under her voice? Muy cool.
Finally, Lucifer reveals himself (as Jess) to Sam, and says that Sam is a hard one to find. “I don’t suppose you’d tell me where you are?” Implying, of course, that he doesn’t know. Which would explain the dreams. Back in 4.10 (or, the Episode Which Shall Not Be Named), Sam and Dean hid themselves from the angels using hex bags, but Uriel was still able to find Dean in his dreams.
However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that Luci isn’t there. After all, Nick’s seduction was both a dream and reality. “You’re dreaming, Nick. But that doesn’t mean this isn’t real.” He was hovering then, circling Nick without being seen. Both there, and not there. It’s completely possible that he knew where Sam is, is really there, in town, and is using the same methods (dead lover, promise of truth and justice) that he used on Nick.
Let’s look at that creepy-ass conversation that these two have, now, because it echoes back to Lindsey’s in the diner.
Sam: No. That’ll never happen.
Lucifer: I’m sorry, but it will. I will find you. And when I do, you will let me in. I’m sure of it…. Sam. My heart breaks for you… I will never lie to you. I will never trick you. But you will say yes to me.
Mirroring, not only Sam’s conversation in the diner with Lindsey, where she is sympathetic to his plight and slowly but surely worms her way into his confidence, but the scene in the bar I quoted earlier.
Sam: Lindsey, I can’t.
Lindsey: No. The only way to avoid bloodshed is to say yes.
All in all, it’s pretty open to interpretation, but I’m gonna put on my crazy!tinhat and believe that Lindsey was Lucifer throughout the episode (except for that small time during the montage). Probably because it just seems to fit. Mostly because I ship Sam/Lucifer and there’s deleted scene from the episode where Sam ad Lindsey had sex.
Whatever.