Yeah, like hell they'll leave birth control alone
I've been hearing that for years from fauxgressive men who don't have to worry about their bodies being controlled. Despite the fact that pro-liars have been inveighing against contraception for years. (Of course, if you don't pay attention to gender politics because it's "identity politics" or "not real politics," you're not going to hear about it, and then you can breezily play intellectual parlor games about the lives, health, and bodies of people unlike yourself.)
Erik Loomis, with the sardonic title "Being Raped by Your Father, A Loving Long-Term Relationship Outside of Marriage-Pretty Much the Same Thing," links to this RH Reality Check piece about a fetus-hugger group which claims (bold is my emphasis):For those having sexual relations within natural marriage and want to regulate births, there is natural family planning. Those having sex outside of marriage, be prepared for an unfulfilled life where sexual intimacy is surrounded by unnatural, unreliable, and deadly methods of birth control and is typically an expression of consensual, mutual objectification- which, for all intents and purposes is a form of rape.
As Loomis says, "In this worldview, any woman having sex while unmarried, and presumably every woman using birth control while inside of marriage, is obviously a whore." And there's the usual wingnut inability to understand consent, especially that of people who aren't (straight) men. What the woman wants in this scenario is immaterial to them.
I'm going to quote two comments from someone who goes by "STH" in the LG&M thread:As I understand it (and don’t ask me why, but just the other day I read a Catholic position paper on this), the whole act that you do with your spouse has to be one that “unifies” you and that has potential to be procreative. So, for example, touching the genitals of your spouse for the purposes of pleasure isn’t allowed, even if it’s part of an act that is unifying and potentially procreative. In other words, only PIV sex is allowed, orgasms for men are good, orgasms for women are optional and you can’t do anything “extra” to bring them about. Anything other than PIV is seen as exploitative, a sort of mutual masturbation.
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The reason Catholic attitudes toward sex seem so foreign to us is that they start with a completely different set of values. Most people see sex as a way to satisfy needs that feels good and cements the bond between you and your partner (assuming you’re in a relationship); in other words, sexual morality is part of a larger utilitarian viewpoint that values human pleasure and happiness. The Catholic church is supremely uninterested in human happiness, to be blunt about it. The miseries of this world are truly insignificant compared to the promise of heaven. So it doesn’t concern them that forbidding birth control perpetuates human poverty and suffering. What matters is saving souls, and the way you do that is by sticking to the rules. The suffering caused by priests molesting kids is really unimportant to them, as long as those kids are “saved.” So, no, they’re not going to make a big effort to kick out pedo priests, because it’s much more important to keep people’s faith in the church and keep that priest at work saving those souls. It really is a death cult and its hierarchy truly does not live in the same world we do
Yeah, and that would also be consistent with sawing through the pubic bones of women having difficult childbirths, as opposed to giving them caesarian sections. Because, you know, it's easy to perform a tubal ligation during caesarian, and it's better that the women be disabled, incontinent, and in constant pain... but still able to be fucked by their husbands and to breed. Hallelujah. (Caring for the existing small children can be relegated to the oldest daughter, who needs to be trained for her future role anyway.)
On an amusing note, rationalist leader and author Sanal Edamaruku - who has fled blasphemy charges in India instigated by the RCC for pointing out that the "crying" of a religious statue was actually caused by faulty plumbing and capillary action - is speaking at several venues in in Ireland over the next week. Including Galway, where Savita Halappanavar died in agony because "this is a Catholic country."
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Erik Loomis, with the sardonic title "Being Raped by Your Father, A Loving Long-Term Relationship Outside of Marriage-Pretty Much the Same Thing," links to this RH Reality Check piece about a fetus-hugger group which claims (bold is my emphasis):For those having sexual relations within natural marriage and want to regulate births, there is natural family planning. Those having sex outside of marriage, be prepared for an unfulfilled life where sexual intimacy is surrounded by unnatural, unreliable, and deadly methods of birth control and is typically an expression of consensual, mutual objectification- which, for all intents and purposes is a form of rape.
As Loomis says, "In this worldview, any woman having sex while unmarried, and presumably every woman using birth control while inside of marriage, is obviously a whore." And there's the usual wingnut inability to understand consent, especially that of people who aren't (straight) men. What the woman wants in this scenario is immaterial to them.
I'm going to quote two comments from someone who goes by "STH" in the LG&M thread:As I understand it (and don’t ask me why, but just the other day I read a Catholic position paper on this), the whole act that you do with your spouse has to be one that “unifies” you and that has potential to be procreative. So, for example, touching the genitals of your spouse for the purposes of pleasure isn’t allowed, even if it’s part of an act that is unifying and potentially procreative. In other words, only PIV sex is allowed, orgasms for men are good, orgasms for women are optional and you can’t do anything “extra” to bring them about. Anything other than PIV is seen as exploitative, a sort of mutual masturbation.
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The reason Catholic attitudes toward sex seem so foreign to us is that they start with a completely different set of values. Most people see sex as a way to satisfy needs that feels good and cements the bond between you and your partner (assuming you’re in a relationship); in other words, sexual morality is part of a larger utilitarian viewpoint that values human pleasure and happiness. The Catholic church is supremely uninterested in human happiness, to be blunt about it. The miseries of this world are truly insignificant compared to the promise of heaven. So it doesn’t concern them that forbidding birth control perpetuates human poverty and suffering. What matters is saving souls, and the way you do that is by sticking to the rules. The suffering caused by priests molesting kids is really unimportant to them, as long as those kids are “saved.” So, no, they’re not going to make a big effort to kick out pedo priests, because it’s much more important to keep people’s faith in the church and keep that priest at work saving those souls. It really is a death cult and its hierarchy truly does not live in the same world we do
Yeah, and that would also be consistent with sawing through the pubic bones of women having difficult childbirths, as opposed to giving them caesarian sections. Because, you know, it's easy to perform a tubal ligation during caesarian, and it's better that the women be disabled, incontinent, and in constant pain... but still able to be fucked by their husbands and to breed. Hallelujah. (Caring for the existing small children can be relegated to the oldest daughter, who needs to be trained for her future role anyway.)
On an amusing note, rationalist leader and author Sanal Edamaruku - who has fled blasphemy charges in India instigated by the RCC for pointing out that the "crying" of a religious statue was actually caused by faulty plumbing and capillary action - is speaking at several venues in in Ireland over the next week. Including Galway, where Savita Halappanavar died in agony because "this is a Catholic country."
Unlocked.
This entry was originally posted at http://ms-daisy-cutter.dreamwidth.org/1924468.html. Please comment there using either your DW account or OpenID.