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Oct 24, 2008 01:03

i've been writing a lot in my lj lately cause i've been reading some people's blogs and it makes me want to spew my own word vomit all over the internet ( Read more... )

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redwingheart October 26 2008, 06:09:03 UTC
I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it doesn't help. Inaction does nothing. Inaction only hurts the cause.

I understand what you're doing. In your mind, a vote for president would be a vote for all the shit that Bush got us into, a vote for the worst in politics, a vote that would be going against your ideals and beliefs. In any other world, in any other election, I would understand. But not voting because you have some beliefs that you feel contradict your vote, especially as a female voter, as a person who wants a better world... not voting is stupid.

It's not called "sitting down for what you believe in." And just because we are questioning your motives doesn't mean you should back down.

I hold many of the beliefs and ideals you do but I have to adapt them to live in the world we are in. You don't fight a war as a whole, you fight battles.

And I'm quite offended that you are implying that those like me, the voters taking advantage of a right women fought for, are doing a terrible thing.

The world is not perfect. All of us know that. I've just accepted to deal with the world as it is and to change it the little that I can. I'm trying to be realistic. I had to give up my hippie ideals a while ago because the real world can't live up to them.

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mountainbed October 26 2008, 14:33:29 UTC
i'm not backing down, i just hate lj discussions. people make a lot of assumptions based off a few lines in a livejournal entry and it gets very frustrating. i like talking to people who disagree, i think it's important and productive, but i'd much much rather do it in person.

i'm confused where i implied that you're doing a terrible thing? to each his own. if you believe in voting as an instrument to change, vote. do what you feel is right. i said in my entry that i was conflicted about whether to vote, so i definitely didn't mean to say your (or anyone's) decision to vote is terrible. if you honestly believe it's going to create change, that's fine. my beliefs are different, though and frankly i'm offended that you're writing here telling me my personal beliefs are stupid and that as a female, i have to vote? (an attitude which, to me, seems awfully counterproductive to the cause of feminism, when women have to do things because they are female.) i appreciate that women before me fought to participate in government, but i wonder if they would really be so against a woman such as myself, holding beliefs that are different and choosing, out of principle (i think that's key. it's not that i'm lazy, ignorant or anything else), not to exercise my right to vote.

anyway, i don't think you do understand where i'm coming from. change is not going to come through democracy or through authority or through obama, the way i see it. i don't want to see obama as president. i don't want to see anyone as president. my beef is not just with bush or republicans. i don't understand why it's stupid to not vote for someone who i don't like and who i don't think will incite changes that we need. so i'm not gonna do it.

as for "hippie ideals," hippies participate in drug culture and has nothing to do with what i'm talking about. it's fine that you gave up your ideals, everyone is entitled to their own belief system, but i don't plan to do the same anytime soon. but i do think "the real world" is destroying itself and won't be able to live up to much of anything for long, so adapting to it is futile. so i'm gonna do that either.

i think you're making a lot of assumptions about me here and it's pretty frustrating to me. it would be easier to have this conversation in person sometime if you'd be down.

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