My take is that Joss deconstructs the Angel he isn't interested in to build the Angel he wants to explore. Angel the mission's boyfriend is no more. Angel the flawed, tragic, existential hero has risen.
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Angel of AtS was a flawed, tragic, existential hero. That's the one Joss doesn't seem to understand. Joss forced the character back into the role of mission's boyfriend-cum-villain (and Buffy back into the role of Angel's girlfriend-cum-victim) for the comics.
Angel of AtS was a flawed, tragic, existential hero. That's what I was going to say... Twangel is just a moron. (I have a lovely plot bunny for your ficathon btw. Probably quite short, but nice and plump. *g*) Anyway, it confirms my impression that none of the writers have ever seen AtS.
"Angel of AtS was a flawed, tragic, existential hero. That's the one Joss doesn't seem to understand. Joss forced the character back into the role of mission's boyfriend-cum-villain (and Buffy back into the role of Angel's girlfriend-cum-victim) for the comics."
I agree., If nothing else these poorly written comics serve to bang home just how much Whedon has forgotten about his character and his emotional journey in AtS and how readilly he is to regress him just to fit his being nothing more then a cipher for Buffy's storyline.
Sue, I know that you're one of the harshest critics of season 8, so I won't try to convert you. I'd better spend my time manipping our little Spikey for noel_of_spike celebration! :)
Plot - Buffy breaks the Seed because that's what Giles was going to do. As far as I remember no one told Giles breaking it would fix anything either, but Aluwyn said he'd figure it out. At least he was capable of Gilesian thinking at the end
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*Also the bit with Amy stabbing Buffy in the heart and it being protected by a spell causing it to break the dagger sort of mirrors Buffy breaking the heart (seed) with a not-so-crappy dagger and it all floods in right then.
I've got the can't-type bug this morning.
Also, though I'm sure it's coincidental, we're misled to think Xander will give the first kiss of true love, too. It turns out to be someone unexpected, a slayer who's name means slayer, Satsu. ;)
Also, though I'm sure it's coincidental, we're misled to think Xander will give the first kiss of true love, too. It turns out to be someone unexpected, a slayer who's name means slayer, Satsu. ;)
I agree, that mislead was strange and unexpected. The first sign that it's not the BtVS we all got used to.
Actually, I thought there will be a flashback explaining that Angel planned to to arrive and give the kiss - but Willow foiled his plans by detecting Satsu's feelings.
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Vampmogs is going to write an essay about Buffy's journey, that's gonna be interesting.
Thanks for letting me know. I'm looking forward to it.
Buffy is put in a completely new and different situation in S8, it was her biggest challenge ever.
Yes, and I'm curious if Joss plans to up the ante in season 9 or he plans to make it less epic, kind of what season 6 was to season 5.
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Angel of AtS was a flawed, tragic, existential hero. That's the one Joss doesn't seem to understand. Joss forced the character back into the role of mission's boyfriend-cum-villain (and Buffy back into the role of Angel's girlfriend-cum-victim) for the comics.
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That's what I was going to say... Twangel is just a moron. (I have a lovely plot bunny for your ficathon btw. Probably quite short, but nice and plump. *g*) Anyway, it confirms my impression that none of the writers have ever seen AtS.
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I agree., If nothing else these poorly written comics serve to bang home just how much Whedon has forgotten about his character and his emotional journey in AtS and how readilly he is to regress him just to fit his being nothing more then a cipher for Buffy's storyline.
So sad when you come to think about.
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I think that Joss's plan for Twilight arc was make Angel realize that he always *is* that other guy he usually blames.
"No, there'll be no Twilight". Angel says in #38. "Father, there already is," Kitty replies. "It's you".
From here the new Angel starts.
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*Also the bit with Amy stabbing Buffy in the heart and it being protected by a spell causing it to break the dagger sort of mirrors Buffy breaking the heart (seed) with a not-so-crappy dagger and it all floods in right then.
I've got the can't-type bug this morning.
Also, though I'm sure it's coincidental, we're misled to think Xander will give the first kiss of true love, too. It turns out to be someone unexpected, a slayer who's name means slayer, Satsu. ;)
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I agree, that mislead was strange and unexpected. The first sign that it's not the BtVS we all got used to.
Actually, I thought there will be a flashback explaining that Angel planned to to arrive and give the kiss - but Willow foiled his plans by detecting Satsu's feelings.
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I don't remember. :|
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