Yay, I've been waiting for someone on my f'list to post a review. I haven't had a chance to get to the comic store yet, and now I don't think I'll even bother. Might as well wait until Dec 1st and see how much it all blows up in our faces.
The possession cop-out cheapens the impact of the season's climax, but it's the only way to keep Angel's hero status intact. Like in season 2, Angel gets a doppelganger to blame. I am so sick of Joss having his cake and eating it too, as you so aptly called it. I hate that they messed up Angel's character so badly, but it will be equally annoying if he gets off scot-free. If he's not a hero...then let's stop calling him one! Your prediction about him sending Buffy to a hell dimension would fit nicely with the other Becoming parallels.
A perfect metaphor of humanity not needing superheroes to defend itself. Knowing Joss, I won't be surprised if Xander will smash the Seed exactly when Willow will be finishing some incantation with indefinite consequences - to make fans argue ad infinitum if
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I hate that they messed up Angel's character so badly, but it will be equally annoying if he gets off scot-free. If he's not a hero...then let's stop calling him one!
My inner cynic whispers that Angel is a brand name that sells comics, so he has to stay a hero.
Frankly, I don't understand why Joss decided to use Angel in such a bizarre story about an unborn universe that manipulates its prospective parents and urges them to copulate. Local_max sees a metaphor of a creative person's mind where new universes are born; it's an interesting metaphor but as a narrative it's grotesque and bordering on ridiculous.
Do we even know if the Seed can actually do awesome things for humanity?
No, I guess. Apparently, Willow got her information from Aluwyn who is a trickster and who always lies.
Lovely thoughts and review! Thanks for sharing! :)
Imagine watching "Becoming 2" one act a month. Imagine that you finished watching act 3 that ends with Whistler telling Buffy she has one more thing to lose, and you have to wait anoher month to find out how exactly it plays out.
Good point. My quibble with this issue is that most of the issues have an individual plot, too (Buffy and Spike go for the seed, Angel and Buffy have sex, Twilight is unmasked, etc), and this one just plods along. But at this point in the story, I guess it can't be helped. One more downside of the comics medium. *sigh*
It will be interesting to see how Joss manages to keep BtVS' feminist cred intact.
I think we gave up on that months ago.
The possession cop-out cheapens the impact of the season's climax, but it's the only way to keep Angel's hero status intact. Like in season 2, Angel gets a doppelganger to blame.This is a bit different, though. It'd be like blaming Cordelia for her possession in S4 (and whoa, CA fic idea! Poor, violated AtS characters... :D). Before now, Angel's made some serious
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This is a bit different, though. It'd be like blaming Cordelia for her possession in S4
Good point. I agree, its' a stretch to compare Angel/Angelus to Angel/Twilight.
(and whoa, CA fic idea! Poor, violated AtS characters... :D).
Write it! Write it! Angel and Cordelia debate whose possession was worse, and Spike recollects how he was possessed by The First...
Before now, Angel's made some serious mistakes. One of many consequences is his subsequent mindrape by Twilight, and I wouldn't even consider this an excuse to get him off scot-free. It's not him.
Yes. But if it's not him - if it's Kitty Twilight - then what's the whole point of Buffy fighting against her evil daughter? How it's connected with the theme of the season?
The problem is that if Buffy is attacked by her evil child, who turned evil because of her mother's neglection, then the message of the season becomes blatantly anti-feminist. (I don't want to go there right now, I need to read the next issue before I start talking about it).
She didn't turn evil 'cause of her mother's neglect, though. She was born soulless. And she was already evil before she was even born, I'd argue. Buffy's neglect didn't make her evil.
Awesome review, Elena! I'm only a bit disagree about your vision for the end - I don't think Angel will send Buffy into a hell dimension - I think he'll kill some close to her and Buffy and Angel’s relationship will be destroyed beyond repair! (I hope so!)I only don't want that close friend to being Spike... :( And I think Willow will become the new protector of the Seed or she already becomes...
"This is @#$*# " -- I wonder what Kitty Twilight actually says. I think the Bug says it . The Bug is speaking on something like a communicator and these strange symbols probably are the actual name of the poor Bug one... :( And do you think the "mistaken blub" which reveals Spike as a "former vampire" is a kind of spoiler... what if Spike to get the Shanshu in the end? ;)
we've been shown that Buffy has has feelings for Spike; it's obvious that Buffy/Angel's current arc comes to an ending. I think it's pretty much a given that The Triangle status quo will be kept forever. Buffy loves and will love both vampires.
I'm afraid I'm at a loss as to where there's parity. Buffy hasn't said she loves Spike in Season 8 or behaved as though she has any love for Spike in Season 8. A sex fantansy basically said she still lusts after him when she's on glow-juice and maybe a bit of sympathy that she hurts him when she waxes on about glow-sex, but we've always known she finds Spike sexually attractive and she'd have to be completely heartless to not have any sympathy for the guy who just rescued all her friends while she's been out destroying the world. Meanwhile we've been beaten over the head issue after issue that no matter what in the frak Angel does, no matter how stupid, insane or selfish she wuvs him oooooooooooh so much and so deliriously. That's a pair co-dependants and someone suffering unrequited
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Yes, mileage may vary - I don't know, maybe it's my shipper bias. But I feel some vibe of finality in the whole Twilight arc. It feels like Joss is squeezing everything he can squeeze from the ship. Everything we had in season 2 plus earth-shattering frak. "You'll fight, you'll shag, you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends." They shagged, they'll fight - and then? Will they hate each other when the season is over?
I know that it's not good to project too much of a RL experience onto the reading of The Buffyverse, but I have always felt that the only reason that the series had such devoted fans while it aired, and now all these years later is because it did reflect RL and forced the viewers to ask all the hard questions. Individuals of course interpreted the series with their own life experiences, but it also made one go outside of the "comfort zone
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Well, as far as i see it - Buffy is merely shown in a rather non-flattering light. (Yes, she did boink a villain, but that in and off itself is hardly a crime.)
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Only two issues left. Don't you want to know how it ends? Just for the sport of it?
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The possession cop-out cheapens the impact of the season's climax, but it's the only way to keep Angel's hero status intact. Like in season 2, Angel gets a doppelganger to blame.
I am so sick of Joss having his cake and eating it too, as you so aptly called it. I hate that they messed up Angel's character so badly, but it will be equally annoying if he gets off scot-free. If he's not a hero...then let's stop calling him one! Your prediction about him sending Buffy to a hell dimension would fit nicely with the other Becoming parallels.
A perfect metaphor of humanity not needing superheroes to defend itself. Knowing Joss, I won't be surprised if Xander will smash the Seed exactly when Willow will be finishing some incantation with indefinite consequences - to make fans argue ad infinitum if ( ... )
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My inner cynic whispers that Angel is a brand name that sells comics, so he has to stay a hero.
Frankly, I don't understand why Joss decided to use Angel in such a bizarre story about an unborn universe that manipulates its prospective parents and urges them to copulate. Local_max sees a metaphor of a creative person's mind where new universes are born; it's an interesting metaphor but as a narrative it's grotesque and bordering on ridiculous.
Do we even know if the Seed can actually do awesome things for humanity?
No, I guess. Apparently, Willow got her information from Aluwyn who is a trickster and who always lies.
Lovely thoughts and review! Thanks for sharing! :)
Thank you. I'm glad my review was useful for you.
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Good point. My quibble with this issue is that most of the issues have an individual plot, too (Buffy and Spike go for the seed, Angel and Buffy have sex, Twilight is unmasked, etc), and this one just plods along. But at this point in the story, I guess it can't be helped. One more downside of the comics medium. *sigh*
It will be interesting to see how Joss manages to keep BtVS' feminist cred intact.
I think we gave up on that months ago.
The possession cop-out cheapens the impact of the season's climax, but it's the only way to keep Angel's hero status intact. Like in season 2, Angel gets a doppelganger to blame.This is a bit different, though. It'd be like blaming Cordelia for her possession in S4 (and whoa, CA fic idea! Poor, violated AtS characters... :D). Before now, Angel's made some serious ( ... )
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Good point. I agree, its' a stretch to compare Angel/Angelus to Angel/Twilight.
(and whoa, CA fic idea! Poor, violated AtS characters... :D).
Write it! Write it! Angel and Cordelia debate whose possession was worse, and Spike recollects how he was possessed by The First...
Before now, Angel's made some serious mistakes. One of many consequences is his subsequent mindrape by Twilight, and I wouldn't even consider this an excuse to get him off scot-free. It's not him.
Yes. But if it's not him - if it's Kitty Twilight - then what's the whole point of Buffy fighting against her evil daughter? How it's connected with the theme of the season?
The problem is that if Buffy is attacked by her evil child, who turned evil because of her mother's neglection, then the message of the season becomes blatantly anti-feminist. (I don't want to go there right now, I need to read the next issue before I start talking about it).
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She didn't turn evil 'cause of her mother's neglect, though. She was born soulless. And she was already evil before she was even born, I'd argue. Buffy's neglect didn't make her evil.
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And I think Willow will become the new protector of the Seed or she already becomes...
"This is @#$*# " -- I wonder what Kitty Twilight actually says.
I think the Bug says it . The Bug is speaking on something like a communicator and these strange symbols probably are the actual name of the poor Bug one... :(
And do you think the "mistaken blub" which reveals Spike as a "former vampire" is a kind of spoiler... what if Spike to get the Shanshu in the end? ;)
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I'm afraid I'm at a loss as to where there's parity. Buffy hasn't said she loves Spike in Season 8 or behaved as though she has any love for Spike in Season 8. A sex fantansy basically said she still lusts after him when she's on glow-juice and maybe a bit of sympathy that she hurts him when she waxes on about glow-sex, but we've always known she finds Spike sexually attractive and she'd have to be completely heartless to not have any sympathy for the guy who just rescued all her friends while she's been out destroying the world. Meanwhile we've been beaten over the head issue after issue that no matter what in the frak Angel does, no matter how stupid, insane or selfish she wuvs him oooooooooooh so much and so deliriously. That's a pair co-dependants and someone suffering unrequited ( ... )
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It's just a hunch. I don't know if I'm right.
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Angel on the other hand....
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