Sam/Dean in 9x13 (spoilers)...Contextualizing the brothers' current issues

Feb 08, 2014 18:18

So these are my somewhat disjointed thoughts on the humdinger of a Sam/Dean closing conversation in 913, and my attempts to contextualize it in terms of the boys' overall characterization. I'm just trying to make sense of it all and this is what I've come up with, though it's far from conclusive. SPOILERS through 913 but none beyond that.

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percysowner February 9 2014, 16:43:45 UTC
I don’t know why Sam would include Cas in that list, when other statements he’s made would indicate that he also perceives Cas as family. But the Benny thing is totally consistent with Sam’s behavior in S8.Sam has really never been given the opportunity to deal with the things Cas has done to him. Cas did spend season four encouraging Dean to turn against Sam. Cas didn't know the plan was to start the Apocalypse, but he still was part of estranging Sam and Dean. Cas also "rescued" Sam's body from the Cage and inadvertently left his soul. What was worse is that he never made any attempt to contact Sam even when Soulless!Sam called to him and ask for an explanation as to what had happened. However, Cas came the second Dean called. Then Cas broke Sam's wall and left Sam hallucinating and broken. So Sam has a lot of reasons to resent the fact that Dean to this day trusts Cas. But I don't think Sam would have said anything if Dean had kept bringing up Sam being soulless as something Sam should repent for. Or even when he qualifies it by ( ... )

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morganlucas41 February 9 2014, 19:32:06 UTC
I think the worst thing Cas did to Sam, and to the brothers personally, was breaking Sam's wall. I also think that he repaired Sam's wall by taking the hallucinations on himself, and that he's redeemed himself for his actions.

Sam and Cas do have a conversation in 7.21 where they discuss what Cas did, and the affect that had on Sam - Sam acknowledges that Cas was always trying to help.

I don't think anyone thinks that Sam being soulless was intentional on Sam or Cas's part. It has always bothered me that Dean included that in the list of things Sam needed to atone for - because it wasn't at all his fault. But Dean says that exactly once. He does not continually blame Sam for Cas's actions.

Sam and Dean also have a conversation in 822, I think, where Sam says Dean should take it easy on Cas, because he's Cas. It indicates that Sam trusts him and thinks Dean should, too.

Dean trusts Gadreel over Sam's decision to move onDean had NO WAY of knowing that Sam had decided to "move on." All he knew was that was Sam was dying and he did ( ... )

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percysowner February 9 2014, 19:45:03 UTC
Gadreel showed Dean the conversation that Sam had with Death where he said he was ready to go if Death could promise no one would bring him back and he wouldn't hurt anyone. So yes, Dean knew Sam was ready to die and trusted that an angel possessing Sam was better than Sam finding the peace he was ready to have.

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morganlucas41 February 9 2014, 20:15:21 UTC
Dean decided that having Sam alive was worth anything. He didn't want to let an angel possess him, but chose that for Sam because he thought Sam being alive was the most important thing. They are now dealing with the consequences of that action.

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ladykorana February 28 2014, 21:03:41 UTC
Which is interesting, because Dean would rather have a dead Sam than a Sam on demon blood.

I think that moment is forgotten by a lot of people (not implying that you are one of them, just pointing it out.)

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morganlucas41 March 1 2014, 04:35:24 UTC
Yeah...I mentioned that in my post. It is interesting, because that is one of the only (the only?) times Dean has ever expressed a willingness to let Sam die. I'm not sure what would have to happen on the show currently for him to ever be in that place again. So many things have happened TO Sam over the past few seasons, and he's been so close to the brink of death, through no fault of his own, really.

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