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I legitimately started crying. This is incredible.

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lower_case_d June 21 2011, 00:03:39 UTC
It's amazing to hear this, but I think that actually getting out there rather than preaching would be a bit more useful. ;D But damn, I cried too.

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moonfoot_gamgee June 21 2011, 00:15:37 UTC
Well, sure, but how do you know she's not? :)

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lower_case_d June 21 2011, 00:18:06 UTC
She should come hang out with us!!!! That would be productive!!!!

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moonfoot_gamgee June 21 2011, 00:19:09 UTC
Haha, suuuuure. ;P

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aidara June 22 2011, 00:41:17 UTC
Ah, but how does one "get out there" without speaking in every forum? Words are powerful and change-effecting, especially when put in the ears of people who might not know others' troubles firsthand. Today, what is usually remembered about Ghandi foremost in the minds of laypeople are not the campaigns he led but the words he spoke.

And now that I've come off as supercilious, I must say, damn, awesome poem.

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lower_case_d June 22 2011, 02:08:40 UTC
At this point actions speak louder than words. There are too many people saying the same thing in different ways.

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aidara June 22 2011, 03:03:32 UTC
There can never be too many people saying it. But it's true, doing something physical to help is also good.

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aidara June 22 2011, 03:15:59 UTC
Also, food for thought about momentum and social change:

One, it is not the dominant narrative in our culture.

Two, words change our thought patterns. Our thought patterns shape our actions.

Three, persuading other people to the importance of your cause increases the work that can be done, rather than working alone.

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lower_case_d June 22 2011, 03:41:42 UTC
All true, but how often do you see adults swayed from their beliefs with words alone? Gay marriage is a case in point.

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moonfoot_gamgee June 22 2011, 03:46:55 UTC
Yes, but why does it hurt? What action do you suggest? How do you think we've gotten more people to our side? It may not seem like talking has persuaded many people to our side, but it has. Just not as many as we'd like. Again though, what's the harm?

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lower_case_d June 22 2011, 04:37:27 UTC
There is no harm. I just think we need more action. Plenty of people have said exactly the same thing. Remember that time when we talked to that religious dude. Words did not convince him. One example out of many, but my point is that saying all of this without action isn't going to change much in the end.

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moonfoot_gamgee June 22 2011, 04:51:04 UTC
I didn't say everyone is persuaded by words alone. I know that there are plenty of people who just will not listen to reason no matter what anyone says, but there are also plenty of people who will.

And again, how do you know she's not taking action in some other form? But really, the point is moot because this is a form of action to me, so I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

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aidara June 22 2011, 03:48:45 UTC
Plenty of times. Me, for one. Everyone who's ever voted for a president, for another. What would you suggest as an alternative?

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lower_case_d June 22 2011, 03:46:02 UTC
Oh, and I'm not saying I don't approve of her message (pretty sure you already knew that) or the fact hat she's presenting it. We still haven't gotten very far even with all of these amazing speakers. Her message is well recieved though, and very emotional.

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moonfoot_gamgee June 22 2011, 03:49:56 UTC
Okay, fair enough.

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