Different opinions are fine and I totally respect yours! I respect opinions that are stated rationally and thoughtfully, even if they are not the same as mine. You left the comm you didn't like, and that's the right thing for you to have done.
You did tell me off once to my face, and that was acceptable. <3 You didn't hide, you didn't scoff... you explained it nicely. I did go overboard that time and apologized for that. But nothing I've said since then, even when I thought it was private, is something I wouldn't back up. I'm responsible for my own words, and only my own. I also understand that the person who doesn't like to speculate and gossip is a rare human being. We are full of foibles. The locked comm is not the one that is spreading negativity - it's the one that is keeping it contained. Let it stay there. The nanny comm, OTOH, is freeing it for all to see - even Adam, even Sauli, if they like to trawl the internet for information about themselves. Oh, not to mention Tommy if he'd like to see some extra hate directed at him for no good reason at all.
I agree that Adam is a positive person and is against bullying and for acceptance, although he's done some things that I've definitely looked askance at. He means well, I feel that is certain, but he's made some boo-boos.
I wish I were half as nice as you or Adam, but I was born a curmudgeon. I love you for your sweetness and positivity and lovingness, but me, I'm a snarkster and that will never not be true.
I never hide. I can't hide. I love and respect people too much to do that.
I've once logged off and written to FYE because I didn't want to identify myself as part of that group, but I had to defend Sauli of all people. :P I just can't stand it when people think that just because you've been in Big Brother you're an asshole who has no brains. He was the sweetest thing that has ever set his foot in that house, and he sang, danced, and made friends through his whole stay. He didn't win because he manipulated people. He won because he showed he cared, because he created genuine relationships there, and because people loved him there. I don't watch the show, I didn't even watch his season, but I watched all the clips on youtube because I was fascinated by the fact that he and Niko seemed like they fell in love there, and Niko is straight, so it was extra-fascinating to me. I love human nature. And that was long before he even met Adam. So yeah, I'm kind of upset that people create horrible ideas of him based on the fact that he does things that are considered terribly tasteless and stupid. Like Big Brother and celebrity blogging and that net video thingy.
I really don't mind that people don't find him interesting or pretty or anything much. Why should they? But I do mind if people hate him based on ideas they have of things. I have a hard time understanding hating people you don't know at all. I understand dislike. I understand indifference. But hatred goes beyond me, and then, I will speak up. Hating on anyone, any human being who's living their own life, not hurting anyone, is completely beyond me. And just like glitterwriter said, Adam is a big boy. He can handle his own life. Nobody can protect him but his close ones and he himself. Fans only create distress to him if they try to MAKE HIM SEE WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO!!! We don't do that to our friends and family members, why should we do that to someone we don't even know?
And yeah, you have no idea how many times I've wanted to defend people I love on FYE. People don't know anything about the people they bash. One of my dearest friends deleted her twitter because her words, her heartfelt words got torn to shreds. She's a sweetheart. She's a sweetie. One of those kinder souls, and these people don't care one bit. So yeah, I don't go there. Not my place. Not where I want to make a home.
I save my hatred for people like George W. Bush. And even then I don't hate because that's giving him power. I DESPISE W.
Sauli I merely dislike. I know zilch about BB here in US or in Finland. I do think Sauli is involved in stupid shit, but that's his right. Adam is still dealing with fallout from becoming famous via a reality show, but to my mind at least that one is (supposedly) about talent. :D
People at the locked comm - to my knowledge - are not attempting to tell Adam what to do. That way lies madness. I can't even make my own family do what I think they should do hahaha. Well, actually sometimes I can. I've saved a few butts here and there in the fam.
I know you have wanted to defend your friends. Same here.
Oh, I was talking about it on a larger scale when I said that people try to tell Adam what he should do. All those people who send him tweets: "these and these people are being horrible, make them stop." Or all those people who try to make him see that he should either be with Tommy (or reveal his secret relationship with Tommy) or break up with Sauli or not wear a stupid hat or grow a beard or whatever people want to tell him... that's when people go overboard. If they talk among themselves, and they have similar mindsets and they are not tweeting these things to anyone else, and especially if they talk in a locked comm, then they should have their right to talk there, in private, about what the heck ever they want. But making it Adam's business in anyway, tweeting him about fandomly things, taking his life too personally, trying to own his life and the right to his life, getting angry at other people for not agreeing with how Adam should live his life... Anything that hurts your own life or hurts someone who could be close to you or hurts any of the people you're talking about because you force them to hear you then it goes overboard.
That's what I meant by it. People become miserable if they want Adam Lambert to fulfill their dreams. That's not going to happen. He's fulfilling his own dreams. He's living his own life. And it's never going to be a perfect fairytale. It's always going to be a nasty real experience with its lawsuits, and wrong spouses, and ugly clothes, and stupid mistakes, because he's a person. He tries. He's very good at trying. But he will disappoint people if they want him to be awesome, when he's just a person.
I have no idea why anyone would want to feel miserable about his boyfriend. Sauli is his boyfriend and his problem. It's none of our business in any way. This is why I don't understand the intense hatred. Just like I don't understand the intense hatred towards Tommy. They are all just people. Tommy isn't perfect either. He says stupid things, and he can be inconsiderate. But he's also a good person. Nobody has to like him either, but to hate him for some of his stupid fans? Or because he gets to be where those haters would like to be? What? I don't even know.
So yeah, I don't understand overprotectiveness. I don't understand claiming a right to Adam's life: He should do this or he totally sucks. I don't understand the need to control any part of his reality. I do understand discussion about things, and thinking that some of his life choices are stupid, or that the beard really looks horrible on him. But I don't understand hating on anyone, fans or friends or Adam himself. I don't get intense and fierce love that turns into obsession and the need to have the only exactly right opinion that matters.
None of us know who they really are. They all deserve that from us: I don't know you, but I respect you as a person.
I have no idea if this makes any sense. I'm soooo tired I'm falling on my face. :) *hugs* <3333333333333
That makes total sense and I'm in agreement with everything you are saying here. I think there is less obsession and less hatred than some might think. But there is SOME for certain. Getting obsessed with the life of someone we don't know simply is not helpful. We have our own lives to lead, as you say. Nothing is more important to each of us than that.
But if he EVER shaves his head again like he had it in the EMAs... look out, Adam. Ugh, that was a horrible look. *shudders* Still I would never tell him that. :)
You did tell me off once to my face, and that was acceptable. <3 You didn't hide, you didn't scoff... you explained it nicely. I did go overboard that time and apologized for that. But nothing I've said since then, even when I thought it was private, is something I wouldn't back up. I'm responsible for my own words, and only my own. I also understand that the person who doesn't like to speculate and gossip is a rare human being. We are full of foibles. The locked comm is not the one that is spreading negativity - it's the one that is keeping it contained. Let it stay there. The nanny comm, OTOH, is freeing it for all to see - even Adam, even Sauli, if they like to trawl the internet for information about themselves. Oh, not to mention Tommy if he'd like to see some extra hate directed at him for no good reason at all.
I agree that Adam is a positive person and is against bullying and for acceptance, although he's done some things that I've definitely looked askance at. He means well, I feel that is certain, but he's made some boo-boos.
I wish I were half as nice as you or Adam, but I was born a curmudgeon. I love you for your sweetness and positivity and lovingness, but me, I'm a snarkster and that will never not be true.
<333 Thank you for speaking out.
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I've once logged off and written to FYE because I didn't want to identify myself as part of that group, but I had to defend Sauli of all people. :P I just can't stand it when people think that just because you've been in Big Brother you're an asshole who has no brains. He was the sweetest thing that has ever set his foot in that house, and he sang, danced, and made friends through his whole stay. He didn't win because he manipulated people. He won because he showed he cared, because he created genuine relationships there, and because people loved him there. I don't watch the show, I didn't even watch his season, but I watched all the clips on youtube because I was fascinated by the fact that he and Niko seemed like they fell in love there, and Niko is straight, so it was extra-fascinating to me. I love human nature. And that was long before he even met Adam. So yeah, I'm kind of upset that people create horrible ideas of him based on the fact that he does things that are considered terribly tasteless and stupid. Like Big Brother and celebrity blogging and that net video thingy.
I really don't mind that people don't find him interesting or pretty or anything much. Why should they? But I do mind if people hate him based on ideas they have of things. I have a hard time understanding hating people you don't know at all. I understand dislike. I understand indifference. But hatred goes beyond me, and then, I will speak up. Hating on anyone, any human being who's living their own life, not hurting anyone, is completely beyond me. And just like glitterwriter said, Adam is a big boy. He can handle his own life. Nobody can protect him but his close ones and he himself. Fans only create distress to him if they try to MAKE HIM SEE WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO!!! We don't do that to our friends and family members, why should we do that to someone we don't even know?
And yeah, you have no idea how many times I've wanted to defend people I love on FYE. People don't know anything about the people they bash. One of my dearest friends deleted her twitter because her words, her heartfelt words got torn to shreds. She's a sweetheart. She's a sweetie. One of those kinder souls, and these people don't care one bit. So yeah, I don't go there. Not my place. Not where I want to make a home.
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Sauli I merely dislike. I know zilch about BB here in US or in Finland. I do think Sauli is involved in stupid shit, but that's his right. Adam is still dealing with fallout from becoming famous via a reality show, but to my mind at least that one is (supposedly) about talent. :D
People at the locked comm - to my knowledge - are not attempting to tell Adam what to do. That way lies madness. I can't even make my own family do what I think they should do hahaha. Well, actually sometimes I can. I've saved a few butts here and there in the fam.
I know you have wanted to defend your friends. Same here.
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That's what I meant by it. People become miserable if they want Adam Lambert to fulfill their dreams. That's not going to happen. He's fulfilling his own dreams. He's living his own life. And it's never going to be a perfect fairytale. It's always going to be a nasty real experience with its lawsuits, and wrong spouses, and ugly clothes, and stupid mistakes, because he's a person. He tries. He's very good at trying. But he will disappoint people if they want him to be awesome, when he's just a person.
I have no idea why anyone would want to feel miserable about his boyfriend. Sauli is his boyfriend and his problem. It's none of our business in any way. This is why I don't understand the intense hatred. Just like I don't understand the intense hatred towards Tommy. They are all just people. Tommy isn't perfect either. He says stupid things, and he can be inconsiderate. But he's also a good person. Nobody has to like him either, but to hate him for some of his stupid fans? Or because he gets to be where those haters would like to be? What? I don't even know.
So yeah, I don't understand overprotectiveness. I don't understand claiming a right to Adam's life: He should do this or he totally sucks. I don't understand the need to control any part of his reality. I do understand discussion about things, and thinking that some of his life choices are stupid, or that the beard really looks horrible on him. But I don't understand hating on anyone, fans or friends or Adam himself. I don't get intense and fierce love that turns into obsession and the need to have the only exactly right opinion that matters.
None of us know who they really are. They all deserve that from us: I don't know you, but I respect you as a person.
I have no idea if this makes any sense. I'm soooo tired I'm falling on my face. :) *hugs* <3333333333333
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But if he EVER shaves his head again like he had it in the EMAs... look out, Adam. Ugh, that was a horrible look. *shudders* Still I would never tell him that. :)
ILU <333333
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*hugs* ILU so much! <3333333333333333
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