Of course, if this means Sam needs to continue to drink blood while Lucifer inhabits him, then it wouldn't be very smart of Lucifer to eliminate either humans or demons, would it?
Not too smart to kill off your food source!
Sam has powers, because we saw them prior to his blood drinking. I think you are on to something, that Lucifer needs a living vessel and the blood will keep it running. I think Lucifer can't access his grace as other angels would, but the demon blood (since he created it) contains little bits of his grace and therefore fuels him.
Ruby got Sam into the blood as a control method for her, no doubt, but also she thought Lucifer would ascend and Sam would say yes right away at the chapel. So she wanted Sam all powered up for that moment.
Sam has powers, because we saw them prior to his blood drinking. Exactly.
I think Lucifer can't access his grace as other angels would, but the demon blood (since he created it) contains little bits of his grace and therefore fuels him.
Of course, if this means Sam needs to continue to drink blood while Lucifer inhabits him, then it wouldn't be very smart of Lucifer to eliminate either humans or demons, would it?
Actually it's just a matter of timing.
First he eliminates most humans, retaining demon-possessed humans for his medicine. "The End" would have taken place during this time - there were still some free humans and some demon possessed humans.
However, once the human race is extinct, as Crowley speculated, demons would be next.
When all demons and all humans are eliminated, Lucifer doesn't need a vessel any more.
When all demons and all humans are eliminated, Lucifer doesn't need a vessel any more. Excellent point! This is also a perfect explanation for why there were still human and demon survivors in "The End!"
Actually, I understood it the same way you did - that the demon blood still has nothing to do with Sam's powers (in fact, I rather feel it "only" lowers his inhibitions and that deep down a part of Sam wants to use them - but that's another topic). Anyway, I agree that the demon blood probably strengthens Sam physically (and possibly makes him easier to control?).
However, another thing that I couldn't help wondering about, was that Sam is presumably the only vessel (we know about) who is used to drinking demon blood. I can't shake this feeling that maybe he has built up a resistance to it. Not that it doesn't affect him any more but more that he needs a larger amount to be affected so strongly. Could be a possible loophole.
(in fact, I rather feel it "only" lowers his inhibitions and that deep down a part of Sam wants to use them - but that's another topic) Yes, exactly! My theory is that he's been actively repressing his powers since he knew he had them. I'm positive he did this in season 3, and I think he's still doing it now.
However, another thing that I couldn't help wondering about, was that Sam is presumably the only vessel (we know about) who is used to drinking demon blood. I can't shake this feeling that maybe he has built up a resistance to it. Not that it doesn't affect him any more but more that he needs a larger amount to be affected so strongly. Could be a possible loophole. This is a very interesting idea! That would certainly be true for most other drugs, but if I'm right and Lucifer essentially designed the demon blood for this purpose alone then that wouldn't be helpful to him. Presumably he would then have wanted Sam to stay away from demon blood until he had him as a vessel.
What made sense to me was: Nick because Nick is Lucifer's temporary vessel, Lucifer needs to keep drinking demon blood so that he doesn't explode. What doesn't make sense to me is why does Sam need demon blood if he is the true vessel? He shouldn't be in any danger of exploding if he is THE vessel right?
Another thing that doesn't make sense: why is it only Lucifer's vessel that needs to drink demon blood? I get they're trying to tie in the whole season 4 thing with it but this way is extremely sloppy. What applies to one archangel should apply to all of them. Why doesn't Michael's vessel need demon blood especially when he is in Adam who is not the "True" vessel? The inconsistencies grate on my nerves as it only shows me that the writers are trying to associate everything bad and demonic with Sam. And not even in a believable way. An angel is an angel regardless of if he created demons, he is still as much an angel as Michael; just fallen.
What doesn't make sense to me is why does Sam need demon blood if he is the true vessel? He shouldn't be in any danger of exploding if he is THE vessel right? Well, exactly! Sam was made for Lucifer- so why would he need the blood at all?
That being said: I take most of what Castiel says regarding Sam and demon blood with a grain of salt. Last season, Castiel said that the amount of blood Sam would have to consume to kill Lilith wuld change him forever and he would likely become the next creature Dean would feel compelled to hunt. I don't see this as the case because I don't believe Sam's power ever stemmed from the blood to begin with, and because Sam doesn't appear to have changed into anything other than what he's always been.
Another thing that doesn't make sense: why is it only Lucifer's vessel that needs to drink demon blood? The only way this makes sense to me is if this is somehow part of Lucifer's punishment for rebelling
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Not too smart to kill off your food source!
Sam has powers, because we saw them prior to his blood drinking. I think you are on to something, that Lucifer needs a living vessel and the blood will keep it running. I think Lucifer can't access his grace as other angels would, but the demon blood (since he created it) contains little bits of his grace and therefore fuels him.
Ruby got Sam into the blood as a control method for her, no doubt, but also she thought Lucifer would ascend and Sam would say yes right away at the chapel. So she wanted Sam all powered up for that moment.
Of course it all didn't go as planned!
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Exactly.
I think Lucifer can't access his grace as other angels would, but the demon blood (since he created it) contains little bits of his grace and therefore fuels him.
This is a fantastic theory! I love it!!
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Actually it's just a matter of timing.
First he eliminates most humans, retaining demon-possessed humans for his medicine. "The End" would have taken place during this time - there were still some free humans and some demon possessed humans.
However, once the human race is extinct, as Crowley speculated, demons would be next.
When all demons and all humans are eliminated, Lucifer doesn't need a vessel any more.
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Excellent point! This is also a perfect explanation for why there were still human and demon survivors in "The End!"
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However, another thing that I couldn't help wondering about, was that Sam is presumably the only vessel (we know about) who is used to drinking demon blood. I can't shake this feeling that maybe he has built up a resistance to it. Not that it doesn't affect him any more but more that he needs a larger amount to be affected so strongly. Could be a possible loophole.
...or it could be just me rambling away ;)
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Yes, exactly! My theory is that he's been actively repressing his powers since he knew he had them. I'm positive he did this in season 3, and I think he's still doing it now.
However, another thing that I couldn't help wondering about, was that Sam is presumably the only vessel (we know about) who is used to drinking demon blood. I can't shake this feeling that maybe he has built up a resistance to it. Not that it doesn't affect him any more but more that he needs a larger amount to be affected so strongly. Could be a possible loophole.
This is a very interesting idea! That would certainly be true for most other drugs, but if I'm right and Lucifer essentially designed the demon blood for this purpose alone then that wouldn't be helpful to him. Presumably he would then have wanted Sam to stay away from demon blood until he had him as a vessel.
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What doesn't make sense to me is why does Sam need demon blood if he is the true vessel? He shouldn't be in any danger of exploding if he is THE vessel right?
Another thing that doesn't make sense: why is it only Lucifer's vessel that needs to drink demon blood? I get they're trying to tie in the whole season 4 thing with it but this way is extremely sloppy. What applies to one archangel should apply to all of them. Why doesn't Michael's vessel need demon blood especially when he is in Adam who is not the "True" vessel?
The inconsistencies grate on my nerves as it only shows me that the writers are trying to associate everything bad and demonic with Sam. And not even in a believable way. An angel is an angel regardless of if he created demons, he is still as much an angel as Michael; just fallen.
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Well, exactly! Sam was made for Lucifer- so why would he need the blood at all?
That being said: I take most of what Castiel says regarding Sam and demon blood with a grain of salt. Last season, Castiel said that the amount of blood Sam would have to consume to kill Lilith wuld change him forever and he would likely become the next creature Dean would feel compelled to hunt. I don't see this as the case because I don't believe Sam's power ever stemmed from the blood to begin with, and because Sam doesn't appear to have changed into anything other than what he's always been.
Another thing that doesn't make sense: why is it only Lucifer's vessel that needs to drink demon blood? The only way this makes sense to me is if this is somehow part of Lucifer's punishment for rebelling ( ... )
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