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orange852 May 22 2005, 17:00:26 UTC
Another hitch in continuity for me: when did Darth Vader work out that he had a son?

Darth Sidious lies and tells the newly risen Darth Vader that in his anger, he killed Padme. Padme was visibly pregnant when that happened. Now we have to buy one of two things:

1. Darth Vader moved on thinking that his unborn child died with Padme and took the discovery of his master's lie completely in stride when Luke shot the tail off his TIE fighter in A New Hope.

2. Darth Vader assumed that after abandoning him to a fiery fate, Obi-Wan took poor, dead Padme away and had the child extracted elsewhere. Then, with the full resources of the Empire behind him and a pretty good understanding of what Jedi get up to when cornered, Darth Vader failed to find his own son.

Oh, and

2a. Mr. Mad Skillz in the Force failed at any time to notice he was the expectanct father of twins or later that Senator Double Cinnamon Bunhead With Attitude bore more than a passing resemblance to his dead wife.

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dramaturgy May 22 2005, 18:31:10 UTC
We only got the briefest of looks through the mask, but I'm not sure the visual field of it allowed for hair and eye color. :D

There were a couple times when I thought Hayden Christensen resembled Luke -- which might be just me looking for such a thing and convincing myself that it was there, but it was a job well done.

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orange852 May 22 2005, 21:17:18 UTC
Luke's hair got shorter and darker over the original trilogy while Anakin's appeared to get a little wilder and curlier, or what that just me? The resemblance I think we both saw was that they got a lot more serious as time went on, not to mention more comfortable with their connection to the Force and developed penchants for wearing lots of black. ;)

I didn't miss the adolescent whining on either of'm.

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mollyringwraith May 22 2005, 19:24:32 UTC
Senator Double Cinnamon Bunhead With Attitude
Heehee. I like that.

But yes...as someone else said: how come Vader didn't sense Leia's relation to him, but could sense Luke from like a planet away?

I'm starting to think the only reason they didn't reveal the twins aspect until the birth was so that Vader would only suspect he had ONE living child, if any. Still...the Force doesn't help him out much there, does it? Oh well...

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orange852 May 22 2005, 21:07:48 UTC
Well, I was all tied up in knots about why Darth Anakin dies at the end of RotJ if the point of his immaculate conception by midichlorian and eventual turn to the dark side were powers considered by some to be "unnatural" in their death-defyingness.

However...if Anakin had truly turned back from the light, he would no longer be able to save himself by using those dark, unnatural ways, would he?

Is it possible, therefore, that the un-turned Luke and Leia are as much a mystery to the Sith as Sidious, Maul, Tyrannus and Vader running around under the noses of the Jedi Council seem to be? As powerful as the Force is supposed to be, people are in the dark about things in more ways that seem logical.

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technocracygirl May 22 2005, 19:31:51 UTC
Darth Vader moved on thinking that his unborn child died with Padme and took the discovery of his master's lie completely in stride when Luke shot the tail off his TIE fighter in A New Hope.

This is likely to be the truth; in the funeral, Padme still looks visibly pregnant. My guess is that Obi-Wan thought it would be safer for the twins if everyone thought the kid had died in the womb.

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orange852 May 22 2005, 21:02:24 UTC
See, I'm going to be forced, forced I say, into another viewing of this film. Quel chore. :D

Seriously, I didn't notice that Padme still looked pregnant at the funeral. I'll have to watch for that, Moff Tarkin and the alleged docking of the Millennium Falcon. It would make sense if everyone thought the child(ren) died with her, though.

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aciel May 23 2005, 00:32:33 UTC
My understanding is that it takes a week or two for a living woman's belly to contract back to normal size after giving birth. I don't imagine a dead woman would ever return to the right size. =)

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