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DIY Mind Gangsterism 2: Podcasting

Nov 12, 2004 14:15

Podcasting is new. Not even six months old. But, for audio and video ( Read more... )

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rataxis November 12 2004, 07:03:52 UTC

Personally, I can't see Internet radio/tv taking off until Multicast is properly implemented.

mistersleepless November 12 2004, 07:44:52 UTC

...whatever that is.

rataxis November 12 2004, 07:50:30 UTC

It's a way of sending IP packets to multiple hosts, which fits the "broadcast" paradigm much closer than sending the same stream of data to multiple hosts separately.

See http://www.nwfusion.com/details/502.html

mistersleepless November 12 2004, 08:34:44 UTC

Let me know if it ever gets out of the realm of pale codemonkeys yelling 010100111001101010101010001111001010 at each other...

rataxis November 12 2004, 08:48:10 UTC

As I said, "properly implemented".

Currently I think multicasting video or audio across the 'Net is a long way off, and will remain so for some time - it's not even as if it just needs some investment from a media streaming company like Real Networks - it'll require changes to so many routers that I doubt it'll happen any time soon.

Maybe IPv6 will make a difference...

jwz November 12 2004, 11:09:18 UTC

What the monkey is trying to say is, "it's kind of like bittorrent and it makes your monthly bill go down." But it will never, ever happen.

mistersleepless November 12 2004, 11:26:56 UTC

Aha.

(I kind of figured, by the 2002 date on the paper, that maybe it wasn't flying along the tracks towards reality.)

denshi November 12 2004, 12:15:58 UTC

The monkeys have been nattering about this since the early 90's. It has been consistently proven since then that the required uber-l33t routers with huge storage capacity and lots and lots of prediction software are a waste of time and money compared to just making bigger pipes and faster routers.

rataxis November 13 2004, 04:06:17 UTC

Absolutely. And you're right, it never will.

denshi November 12 2004, 12:20:57 UTC

Binary is of course a tonal language, so properly implemented that yelling match would involve pale codemonkeys warbling Tuvan throatsong tones at one another: a surreal and elegant experience, at least according to the RFCs.

denshi November 12 2004, 12:09:30 UTC

Whatever. Hack this together with Bittorrent and we're off.

Did you see the bandwidth numbers for bt recently? It is, overwhelming, the bulk of all P2P traffic, and just beginning to break out of nerdland and into the general net.

Multicast is never going to happen; it violates the 'dumb network'/'smart client' norm. BT is where this design issue has gone.

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