would you like to take a survey about gays and fashion?

May 28, 2009 23:06

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sloanepeterson5 May 29 2009, 20:19:24 UTC
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bart_calendar May 29 2009, 22:26:45 UTC
I'm not sure I agree with you about Calvin Klein.

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missmimesis May 29 2009, 22:34:15 UTC
Calvin Klein has been married to a bunch of ladies, though is reputed to be bisexual, I think...

(btw, in my phrasing of that caption question I did not mean to imply that YSL was currently alive...I do know that that is, sadly, not the case.)

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bart_calendar May 29 2009, 22:42:17 UTC
I know that Calvin has been married, I just don't think he's "straight."

I think he's firmly in the "other" category.

Also, I'm surprised that at least one person didn't know that was YSL - I thought he was like Andy Warhol in the sense of being iconically recognizable.

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msmsgirl May 29 2009, 23:22:35 UTC
I know, I'm like retarded at famous people face-recognition!! I never see famous people ever in NY or LA because I wouldn't recognize them if I ran right into them.

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bart_calendar May 29 2009, 23:29:09 UTC
See, I'm a total pop culture whore. I'd recognize anyone - which is frustrating because I live within 20 miles of (and in the only major city near to) Johnny Depp, Belinda Carlisle and Dave Sedaris and the only one of the three I've run into is Sedaris.

Yet, my girlfriend would really, really like me to run into Depp and I have been in love with Belinda for 20 years.

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missmimesis May 29 2009, 23:37:38 UTC
I was slightly surprised you didn't recognize him, though I have to say that I kind of adore your like, naif reading of that photo. (Though you will I hope be glad to know that it is the latter situation. he was about as gay as they come...)

Bart, I am not sure if YSL is *quite* at Warhol-level recognizability, at least currently in the US...it is possible that you are either kind of old, or really French. ;-)

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bart_calendar May 30 2009, 00:24:57 UTC
I'm 40, so I'm kind of old and I was born in France.

For me, it's the eyeglasses that are the giveaway.

Of course it probably helps that my girlfriend used to work for Ralph Lauren and has photos of fashion designers taped up around the house.

I'd be curious if you posted a photo of a certain very white haired male fashion designer if people would get who that was...

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missmimesis May 30 2009, 00:47:54 UTC
If someone gave me $1500 on the condition that I spend it on something absolutely useless, I would totally buy this bear

also I've just realized that young Yves Saint Laurent is like, so hot that I can't even deal.

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bart_calendar May 30 2009, 00:51:56 UTC
Me too! (About the bear, I mean.)

P.S. I'm testing out my premise that famous fashion designers are by definition iconic on my blog.

Let's see what happens.

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missmimesis May 30 2009, 01:06:09 UTC
"Famous fashion designers are by definition iconic."

That is a marvelously tautological statement.

(Christine, I think it might beat "monstrous renaissance birth" or that one about feminizing women that I can't remember now)

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sloanepeterson5 May 30 2009, 02:22:14 UTC
About him being gay, or about him being a noteworthy designer?

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missmimesis May 30 2009, 00:52:33 UTC
Gay men seem to have a better understanding of how to design for a woman's body, as opposed to female designers who actually HAVE a woman's body. Not always, but I see it often.

wow, it is really interesting that you say that...the usual line is exactly the opposite! I am curious if you have any further thoughts on this? I would tend to totally agree with you, but I would love to hear how this plays out in the actual fashion design world...

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sloanepeterson5 May 30 2009, 03:00:19 UTC
Often I have to do research on designers, past and present, and that sometimes includes going to high-end stores and boutiques and inspecting the actual garments these designers create. Zac Posen is one who just *gets* how something is supposed to look on a female form, in my opinion. Also the duo Proenza Schouler - although you don't see much discussion of their sexualities, they seem very much a couple. I also think Halston did a lot for women's wear in the 70's. So most of the designers I believe to have a better grasp of women's bodies and how to best accentuate them are gay men. And a couple of the most talented students I am currently working alongside are also gay men. I can't offer an explanation for it, but it's what I've observed!

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