1. The two tribes I mentioned are one people, and they both speak Greek; I said that in the comment on my design. It's similar to the differences between different Greek states, such as Sparta or Athens -- the two are both Greek, but have different customs. In this case there's a slight bit more disparity in clothing, but that's a small point.
I was thinking he could become someone of way high importance while in Melohdia, though I don't know how -- well, it's the Dark Ages; when the nobility's homes are glorified farmhouses, you can imagine how bad everyone else must be. He had nothing at the time to give him importance, which is why I have difficulty making him important from the outset. My intention was, by the end of it, Alexadros is the only thing preventing civil war from breaking out, hence Nuncio's reluctance?
No, he had two children with his first wife and he brought them into Melohdia with him, so they're Greek too. Then the wife dies while there and he marries Thalassa. I don't know if they have any children, but eventually he dies and she might remain in Greece if it had already been sealed; if it hadn't she would have returned to Caelestis.
The way you made it sound ("the dawn of civlization", "854 was when Nuncio decided they needed a calendar", implying there were people there before then) was that Melohdia came first and then the Uni gradually came in afterwards, judging by the fact that you said only "some" of the other Uni. I'm trying to pin this down because I work best with dates and timeframes in things like this.
I don't know if the Greeks at the time had a calendar, but I know the Romans did, their calendar starting in 753 BCE, calling it ab urbe condita, "from the founding of the city [of Rome]". But the Chinese had one at this point; I don't know if the Japanese had adopted it yet.
2. No flat out war doesn't make much sense, though. maybe a skirmish I can understand, but battles are part of wars. And no flat-out war changes everything dramatically -- how could Atalo conquer the various states if there's no war? Like I said, no flat out war means no Caelestis (and completely invalidates Antigonus' profile). There's no point in keeping a full standing army if there's no flat-out war. There has to be some war. Maybe the magic prevents it from being Melohdia-wide, or involving more than two states, but no full war just doesn't work. After all, warring is what people do. :P Having magic suddenly make them "understand" each other goes completely against human ego/psyche.
3. Oh, well, if you say so. I was just wondering, as the change seemed unnecessary. ^^; Are you going to edit Nuncio's initial explanation in order to fit it with your new idea?
4. Many kingdoms within a country? I can think of a few examples -- the Greek city-states were usually headed by kings (but they were all Greek, not different nationalities), for one, but most I'm thinking of (England, Austria, Japan) all had one kingdom within one country. Do you have any examples of many kingdoms within a country?
You seemed so insistent on having them be called kingdoms when there's better words to use that I wondered if there was any particular reason. "State" seems like a good word to use without the connotation of having a particular form of government.
I wouldn't say the ancient people didn't think their land was all one country, as you imply. Ancient people (for example, the Greeks, the Babylonians, the Romans, the Chinese, and many others) created maps, and while they might not have recognised a modern continent, they certainly knew the geographical boundaries of various states, even though they might have been smaller, or larger, than their modern-day counterparts.
But if the kingdoms are comparable to provinces, then Caelestis will have a stange case of having (semi-autnomous) provinces within provinces. o.O
1). Um, yeah, um...you implied that his second wife would have to learn Greek when she came over, so I just assumed they spoke different languages. ^^; And what I was saying was that instead of two different people living in what would later be Caelestis, there would only be one people, and they would all be basically Greek, I guess. ^^;
2). Well, civil war is a bit different from other types of war. I'm just rationalizing my midnight thoughts. By battles, I meant civil war, basically, problems within the kingdoms, I guess. Caelestis could possibly have am army, though, just for tradition, or to prepare for when Atalo broke out or something (because they all knew the magic holding him wasn't strong enough? No idea.) And as for Atalo, the magic Nuncio puts up doesn't apply to him. Don't ask how. That falls in the spoiler section. >.>
In other words, it was midnight, okay? I don't know what I was thinking. Yes, there is war, not not flat out war. Just little wars, mostly over boundaries, I would imagine. I mean, now that I think about it, Sumika, while peaceful and such, is very...um...egotisitcal, and starts wars on the drop of a hat. :P
3). I'm not going to edit it, because there are some things Nuncio stretches the truth about. Again >.>
4). Um, why are you even bothered by this? Melohdia's a different world and thus, has different meanings to its words. They call them kingdoms, get over it already.
An example, huh? England. England, I'm pretty sure, was made up of a bunch of kingdoms until my great uncle Will came over in 1066 and conquered it all. In fact, I just looked it up, and England was made of seven different kingdoms until the earth tenth century (opps, I guess Uncle Will didn't unify it). Granted, they were petty kingdoms, but kingdoms none the less in one country.
If you want an explaination, fine. When Nuncio called the original six people into Melohdia, he divided up the land, and told each people where they could start their cities. The guy from Freolic goes, "So these are our kingdoms?", and Nuncio looks at him blankly, not really knowing what a kingdom was, and responds, "Yes, yes it is." And, as such, they are called kingdoms.
(Also, the continent thing? It's the word I'm saying they don't understand, not the concept.)
Not stop asking about it, because it really, really doesn't matter, now does it?
And stop responding, unless you're not planning on coming on tonight. I can explain it better one on one then on LJ comments. :P
I was thinking he could become someone of way high importance while in Melohdia, though I don't know how -- well, it's the Dark Ages; when the nobility's homes are glorified farmhouses, you can imagine how bad everyone else must be. He had nothing at the time to give him importance, which is why I have difficulty making him important from the outset. My intention was, by the end of it, Alexadros is the only thing preventing civil war from breaking out, hence Nuncio's reluctance?
No, he had two children with his first wife and he brought them into Melohdia with him, so they're Greek too. Then the wife dies while there and he marries Thalassa. I don't know if they have any children, but eventually he dies and she might remain in Greece if it had already been sealed; if it hadn't she would have returned to Caelestis.
The way you made it sound ("the dawn of civlization", "854 was when Nuncio decided they needed a calendar", implying there were people there before then) was that Melohdia came first and then the Uni gradually came in afterwards, judging by the fact that you said only "some" of the other Uni. I'm trying to pin this down because I work best with dates and timeframes in things like this.
I don't know if the Greeks at the time had a calendar, but I know the Romans did, their calendar starting in 753 BCE, calling it ab urbe condita, "from the founding of the city [of Rome]". But the Chinese had one at this point; I don't know if the Japanese had adopted it yet.
2. No flat out war doesn't make much sense, though. maybe a skirmish I can understand, but battles are part of wars. And no flat-out war changes everything dramatically -- how could Atalo conquer the various states if there's no war? Like I said, no flat out war means no Caelestis (and completely invalidates Antigonus' profile). There's no point in keeping a full standing army if there's no flat-out war. There has to be some war. Maybe the magic prevents it from being Melohdia-wide, or involving more than two states, but no full war just doesn't work. After all, warring is what people do. :P Having magic suddenly make them "understand" each other goes completely against human ego/psyche.
3. Oh, well, if you say so. I was just wondering, as the change seemed unnecessary. ^^; Are you going to edit Nuncio's initial explanation in order to fit it with your new idea?
4. Many kingdoms within a country? I can think of a few examples -- the Greek city-states were usually headed by kings (but they were all Greek, not different nationalities), for one, but most I'm thinking of (England, Austria, Japan) all had one kingdom within one country. Do you have any examples of many kingdoms within a country?
You seemed so insistent on having them be called kingdoms when there's better words to use that I wondered if there was any particular reason. "State" seems like a good word to use without the connotation of having a particular form of government.
I wouldn't say the ancient people didn't think their land was all one country, as you imply. Ancient people (for example, the Greeks, the Babylonians, the Romans, the Chinese, and many others) created maps, and while they might not have recognised a modern continent, they certainly knew the geographical boundaries of various states, even though they might have been smaller, or larger, than their modern-day counterparts.
But if the kingdoms are comparable to provinces, then Caelestis will have a stange case of having (semi-autnomous) provinces within provinces. o.O
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2). Well, civil war is a bit different from other types of war. I'm just rationalizing my midnight thoughts. By battles, I meant civil war, basically, problems within the kingdoms, I guess. Caelestis could possibly have am army, though, just for tradition, or to prepare for when Atalo broke out or something (because they all knew the magic holding him wasn't strong enough? No idea.) And as for Atalo, the magic Nuncio puts up doesn't apply to him. Don't ask how. That falls in the spoiler section. >.>
In other words, it was midnight, okay? I don't know what I was thinking. Yes, there is war, not not flat out war. Just little wars, mostly over boundaries, I would imagine. I mean, now that I think about it, Sumika, while peaceful and such, is very...um...egotisitcal, and starts wars on the drop of a hat. :P
3). I'm not going to edit it, because there are some things Nuncio stretches the truth about. Again >.>
4). Um, why are you even bothered by this? Melohdia's a different world and thus, has different meanings to its words. They call them kingdoms, get over it already.
An example, huh? England. England, I'm pretty sure, was made up of a bunch of kingdoms until my great uncle Will came over in 1066 and conquered it all. In fact, I just looked it up, and England was made of seven different kingdoms until the earth tenth century (opps, I guess Uncle Will didn't unify it). Granted, they were petty kingdoms, but kingdoms none the less in one country.
If you want an explaination, fine. When Nuncio called the original six people into Melohdia, he divided up the land, and told each people where they could start their cities. The guy from Freolic goes, "So these are our kingdoms?", and Nuncio looks at him blankly, not really knowing what a kingdom was, and responds, "Yes, yes it is." And, as such, they are called kingdoms.
(Also, the continent thing? It's the word I'm saying they don't understand, not the concept.)
Not stop asking about it, because it really, really doesn't matter, now does it?
And stop responding, unless you're not planning on coming on tonight. I can explain it better one on one then on LJ comments. :P
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