We've got to fight - for our right(s)

[miri_me]

Apparently bailiffs have had the right since 2004, in the UK, to enter a home by force in order to take collateral in lieu of loan repayments, which was underpublicised so the poor bailiffs may not have knocked down all the doors they could have done

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[motherwort]

I know it is different in the UK, but here, where we "all" have guns, it seems that the job of collecting back collateral would be highly dangerous, and shooting them would be highly justifiable. You can't break into someone's house...end of story.

[miri_me]

Here practically nobody does, and I think the rules regarding defending your property are a bit different (shopkeeper attacked by mugger with knife who managed to escape with stab wounds to head and back, mugger killed with his own knife, not prosecuted because he literally couldn't have used lesser force to escape; timeline of Tony Martin case: farmer shoots at intruders attempting to burgle his secluded property, killing one and wounding another. Originally convicted of murder and wounding with intent to cause injury. Murder conviction downgraded to manslaughter after 2 appeals; his would-be burglar released before him. Key point was that he shot them as they were running away from him (though whether that would have been obvious, at night, and when he was outnumbered three-to-one with adrenaline pumping through his system seems a bit iffy to me)).

[motherwort]

Here if you wanted to take something out of someone's house that was legally yours to take, you get the sheriff to come with you and it is all done in a civilized way. If you shoot a burglar, you usually get away with it. Killing abusive husbands and lovers is okay, too, as long as you can prove they were abusive.

[miri_me]

Yep, people were saying that Tony Martin would not have been prosecuted in the US...

Because women are less likely to kill in the heat of the moment (and are less likely to be physically capable of it), there's more likely to be an element of planning in killing an abusive male to get out of the relationship, so they're more likely to be convicted of first degree murder for it - or at least that was the case 8 years ago when we briefly covered it in Sociology (e.g. woman poisoned her husband who was abusing her and their children - murder; teenager who'd run away from abusive parents and ended up a prostitute with an abusive pimp who she snapped and killed - murder; male gynaecologist who came home and discovered his wife in bed with her lover, stabbed the male and threw his wife out of the window, killing her too - clearly an out of character act in the heat of the moment: community service)... That did upset me a little...

[motherwort]

One would probably be prosecuted for poisoning, but stabbing and shooting and bludgeoning can sometimes be overlooked, as it is not premeditated. Everyone is capable of killing someone they say, if it becomes necessary.

[miri_me]

I meant that a woman's less likely to get the upper hand in a fair fight and find herself with the option of using lethal force in self defence, rather than that we'd be more hesitant to defend ourselves and find a dead body on our hands should they have held a gun...

Though women are more likely to be victims of domestic violence and thus to learn helplessness and to believe that self defence is unlikely to work...

(Cheery new year chat lol!)

[motherwort]

well, if Kit starts battering you make sure you let someone know, take pics, tell your friends, see the same doctor for treatment...then when it is time to take him out, you will have a leg to stand on...so to speak.

[summersky121]

Wait. I didnt get a gun. Is someone handing out guns? I must have been in the wrong line.

[motherwort]

I don't have one, either, but I do have a baseball bat and two large dogs, and a secret identity.