Interestingly, Bill will need to call most of his crew traitors since most of them did mutiny. I'd like to see *that* acknowledged.
I KNOW. I really will be frustrated if they just go back to being a happy family, like none of that mutiny just happened. There's probably still bloodstains from poor Jaffe on the CIC floor!
my own opinion? Gaeta was wrong to commit mutiny because its a wrong act...
Well, I do believe that in very specific circumstances, mutiny and civil disobedience is not only justified, but the obligation of citizens, much like it says in the Declaration of Independence. But my jury's still out on whether or not Felix's mutiny quite made that test. But I do think that whether or not I agree with what Felix did, Bill Adama brought this upon himself. And you're right. If Tigh had been not in his circle of favorites, he would have kept him in the brig for a year like Sharon until he really felt he could trust him. I would think that Bill's thinking ought to change after Tigh slept with Caprica Six. Because it's not even a case of a flawed human giving in to an unexpected desire for the enemy. It's a Cylon frakking another Cylon. How is *that* not suspicious to a character like Adama, who for a long time consistently set aside all the helpful things Athena did for the Fleet, to the point where I think most of the viewers were on her side and not his? It's only because on some level, he's not accepting that Tigh is a Cylon in the same way that he's thought about Cylons all his life. And sure, Tigh isn't one of those Cylons, but really, there's no way that Bill Adama should know that. And to answer what you're saying about the writing, I don't think I'm as disgusted with it as you seem to be, but I do find it ridiculous that Adama can be all up in Saul's grill, spewing spittle at him, snarling Cylon at him, but also checking out of his leadership role, leaving the Cylon in charge.
I'm not sure I agree with you on the Felix and Dee analysis. I think in their earlier days, probably yes, but a lot had happened to them. And Felix did get very close to suicide once in the webisodes, as I'm sure you recall, but he pulled back from it. And I think that the mutiny was what he did to give his decision *not* to commit suicide a point. If he was going to keep himself alive, then he was going to stay alive for a good reason. He saw the mutiny as his way to save the Fleet. He clearly knew it might turn out like this. That's why he pushed Hoshi away. He was prepared for it. Dee I think was just tired, and I don't blame her. She's a very strong character, and so I can see why you'd think she'd mutiny rather than give in and commit suicide. But I think someone like that is strong until very suddenly they're not. Dee has been very longsuffering for a very long time, and I think she'd just had enough, and she committed suicide the way men often do - privately, irrevocably and with quiet resolution, after they've suffered silently for far too long.
Gaeta followed the rules, and got frakked over. He doesn't follow the rules, and he gets frakked over.
I so agree with you on this.
Honestly, this is why I stopped watching Lost, and I knew it was happening to BSG and I kept watching anyway... and I was right.
You know that fandom meme that was going around for a while, where you list how this fandom is like the guy you like to go on dates with, but will never get serious about, or this fandom's like the guy that you call at 3 am for a booty call? I had to make Lost my pretty, pretty boy toy who thinks he's all slick and mysterious and keeping me hanging, but really, I just keep him around for the hot body and to watch himself think he's such a player. :) BSG's writing has definitely gotten more loose-limbed, and I think that you're right that character development is sometimes sacrificed in service of plot twists or just to be shocking.
I'm quite positive the giant crack in the ship that Gaeta caused in the mutiny will cause everyone's deaths.
That would be interesting. But I point out that technically, Tyrol caused that giant crack in the ship. :)
I KNOW. I really will be frustrated if they just go back to being a happy family, like none of that mutiny just happened. There's probably still bloodstains from poor Jaffe on the CIC floor!
my own opinion? Gaeta was wrong to commit mutiny because its a wrong act...
Well, I do believe that in very specific circumstances, mutiny and civil disobedience is not only justified, but the obligation of citizens, much like it says in the Declaration of Independence. But my jury's still out on whether or not Felix's mutiny quite made that test. But I do think that whether or not I agree with what Felix did, Bill Adama brought this upon himself. And you're right. If Tigh had been not in his circle of favorites, he would have kept him in the brig for a year like Sharon until he really felt he could trust him. I would think that Bill's thinking ought to change after Tigh slept with Caprica Six. Because it's not even a case of a flawed human giving in to an unexpected desire for the enemy. It's a Cylon frakking another Cylon. How is *that* not suspicious to a character like Adama, who for a long time consistently set aside all the helpful things Athena did for the Fleet, to the point where I think most of the viewers were on her side and not his? It's only because on some level, he's not accepting that Tigh is a Cylon in the same way that he's thought about Cylons all his life. And sure, Tigh isn't one of those Cylons, but really, there's no way that Bill Adama should know that. And to answer what you're saying about the writing, I don't think I'm as disgusted with it as you seem to be, but I do find it ridiculous that Adama can be all up in Saul's grill, spewing spittle at him, snarling Cylon at him, but also checking out of his leadership role, leaving the Cylon in charge.
I'm not sure I agree with you on the Felix and Dee analysis. I think in their earlier days, probably yes, but a lot had happened to them. And Felix did get very close to suicide once in the webisodes, as I'm sure you recall, but he pulled back from it. And I think that the mutiny was what he did to give his decision *not* to commit suicide a point. If he was going to keep himself alive, then he was going to stay alive for a good reason. He saw the mutiny as his way to save the Fleet. He clearly knew it might turn out like this. That's why he pushed Hoshi away. He was prepared for it. Dee I think was just tired, and I don't blame her. She's a very strong character, and so I can see why you'd think she'd mutiny rather than give in and commit suicide. But I think someone like that is strong until very suddenly they're not. Dee has been very longsuffering for a very long time, and I think she'd just had enough, and she committed suicide the way men often do - privately, irrevocably and with quiet resolution, after they've suffered silently for far too long.
Gaeta followed the rules, and got frakked over. He doesn't follow the rules, and he gets frakked over.
I so agree with you on this.
Honestly, this is why I stopped watching Lost, and I knew it was happening to BSG and I kept watching anyway... and I was right.
You know that fandom meme that was going around for a while, where you list how this fandom is like the guy you like to go on dates with, but will never get serious about, or this fandom's like the guy that you call at 3 am for a booty call? I had to make Lost my pretty, pretty boy toy who thinks he's all slick and mysterious and keeping me hanging, but really, I just keep him around for the hot body and to watch himself think he's such a player. :) BSG's writing has definitely gotten more loose-limbed, and I think that you're right that character development is sometimes sacrificed in service of plot twists or just to be shocking.
I'm quite positive the giant crack in the ship that Gaeta caused in the mutiny will cause everyone's deaths.
That would be interesting. But I point out that technically, Tyrol caused that giant crack in the ship. :)
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