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jim_smith November 13 2005, 19:54:12 UTC
Yes, bingo. Now you see the reason for Snape fandom.

See, I buy HP fans turning on Harry and embracing Snape as the more useful character. What I don't get is why you don't also turn on Snape because he's also a moron. (cf. Snape getting pwn3d as no one has ever been pwn3d before in Chapter 21.)

I mean, your choices for a hero in these books is the Legendary Super Dumbass, his dopey friend, his smug other friend who knows everything except the mystery of the plot, the evil kid who spends all day crying in the bathroom, the morally ambiguous teacher who gets pwned by a Super Dumbass, and an assortment of dead people and adults who literally peaked in high school. (Also Lupin, whoever that is. I think I missed Lupin showin up and, well, existing. Isn't he the thief whose girlfriend has the enormous knockers?)

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merenwen_81 November 13 2005, 22:10:07 UTC
To hell with cultural literacy. If I hated all the characters and the plot and the writing, and saw no redeeming value at all, I'd stop reading. Just saying. Then again, this is coming froma girl who stopped reading in the middle of the the Illiad, so maybe I'm the moron here. At least I'm a moron who didn't suffer through a book that she hated.

BTW, isn't Snape called "a thin, ugly man" in book two?

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merenwen_81 November 13 2005, 23:03:19 UTC
First I must say, it's been ages since I read the Chamber, so I may be wrong. I think it's when Harry and Ron have arrived in the castle late, because they missed the train and stole and crashed Mr. Weasley's car (now, that's a Super Dumbass moment!). They go to the Great Hall and don't see Snape and Ron wonders aloud if Snape has been sacked and, naturally, Snape is standing right behind them. That scene where he's described as thin.

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_xanthia November 14 2005, 03:01:14 UTC
...he did that at the end of book 9. And then all of book 10 was about what everyone else was doing in the days leading up to and just after that. I don't know if Rand ever actually showed up at all. (I gave up about two-thirds into book 10, getting sick of the Aes Sedai and their BS)

Sometimes, I just like to pretend the series ended at book 3. All the rest I sort of peek into more to find out how Mat's doing, or info on the world. I love the world of WoT, moreso than most of the characters or the storyline.

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