I always think of Y'shua as simply, God coming down to earth in the form of a rabbi...
As for the necessity of deity on the part of Y'shua who was to be the kinsmen redeemer. The entire reason for Y'shua was to fulfill the redemption which required two things. a) kinship to Adam b) the wealth to redeem creation. Only God had the wealth to redeem creation. Therefore, the answer to the necessity of Y'shua to be both God and Man.
The Hebrew conotation of what it means to be an envoy, ambassador, representative, or whatever one may call it, provides for Jesus to be able to do what only Hashem could do. I'm not discounting him being the incarnation of God's wisdom, only what "incarnation" means. From a Hebrew perspective, his diefication is not necessary.
That is actually my point. But then, praise and worship of a person is quite different from the same for a diety. Worship of a diety other than Hashem is idolatry.
I do believe that he is the incarnation of Hashem's wisdom. But, unlike the author of the article I just linked to, that still doesn't bring me to the conclusion that he is Diety. The embodyment of Hashem, but not Diety. A co-judge as described by Daniel, but not Hashem. Though some would say there is no difference.
When you have time to listen to some audio, I highly reccommend the four lectures on Jesus found at www.ntwrightpage.com... Not that I'm trying to change your mind with them, but that I think you will enjoy them quite a bit. In fact, you may find that it deepens your love for our Messiah.
Thanks for discussing this with me. Though I'm not sure we might ever come to full agreement, I welcome dialogue and differing viewpoints as we all explore our faith.
As for the necessity of deity on the part of Y'shua who was to be the kinsmen redeemer. The entire reason for Y'shua was to fulfill the redemption which required two things. a) kinship to Adam b) the wealth to redeem creation. Only God had the wealth to redeem creation. Therefore, the answer to the necessity of Y'shua to be both God and Man.
- The Saj
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I do believe that he is the incarnation of Hashem's wisdom. But, unlike the author of the article I just linked to, that still doesn't bring me to the conclusion that he is Diety. The embodyment of Hashem, but not Diety. A co-judge as described by Daniel, but not Hashem. Though some would say there is no difference.
When you have time to listen to some audio, I highly reccommend the four lectures on Jesus found at www.ntwrightpage.com... Not that I'm trying to change your mind with them, but that I think you will enjoy them quite a bit. In fact, you may find that it deepens your love for our Messiah.
Thanks for discussing this with me. Though I'm not sure we might ever come to full agreement, I welcome dialogue and differing viewpoints as we all explore our faith.
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and like all good rabbis, between me and you we likely have three-thousand opinions.. *lol*
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