Bad Church philosophy, and what comes next...
Tonight we start discussion over a series of lectures on Church History, namely Replacement Theology. Over the next few months, we'll be lookig at the first two centuries of how Christianity separated from its roots, and developed a reactionary theology (basically speaking). Thursday nights should prove to be very revealing and faith/life
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[[[Well, not necessarily satellite TV, but it wasn't until satellite TV that the nations throughout the world could witness such an event.
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As for the two witnesses, definitely two good jewish lads. *lol* I've always tilted toward Moses accompanying Elijah. Perhaps that is from influence of the book of Jude. Not sure. Also because the plagues/punishments that hte two witnesses deal out seems to be similar to those of those two men.
"Thus, there is a strong biblical warrant for taking the two witnesses as the church."
[[[I strongly disagree with that, and see that as replacement theology. I believe all the descriptions strongly indicate that the two were individuals.]]]
"Very briefly the two witness are the law and the prophets"
[[[Another reason why I lean to Moses and Elijah...]]]
"As far as Jacob's Trouble , it really seems to be talking about Israel's exile in Babylon."
[[[ I am in complete disagreement with that. For the abomination of desolation had not yet occurred in the vision, nor were the weeks elapsed to the empires in transition.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
So Y'shua is describing such as yet to occur.
Furthermore, I do not see this passage as fulfilled by the Babylonian captivity. David is not restored to the throne.
Jer 30:7-9
Alas! for that day [is] great, so that none [is] like it: it [is] even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.....But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
Oh well...been fun, gotta run...wish i had more time... *sigh*
(oh and realize i see this as friendly rabbinical discussion)
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I still don't see how you're getting out of scripture that the nations throughout the world will look upon the two dead witnesses.
Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
people - laos -denoting one's own people
kindred - phule - offshoot or tribe
tongues - glossa - natural language
nations - ethnos - foreign tribe; usually used to describe the gentiles
How does this describe the whole world (kosmos, or the like), without adding to it?
As far as argument/discussion is concerned, when the ultimate outcome is the same either way, I won't get too upset over disagreements. I'm mainly just trying to come to grasps with what scripture says critically, apart from tradition.
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