I've been working on a fic, so I get really wrapped up in that, plus I am taking summer classes, so I just... lurk sometimes /o\
I still need to finish ADWD, so at least I have a book to read in the meantime? BUT IA about the lack of fic. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE and of stuff I'm interested in /o\
What KILLS me about that is that Jeyne is canonically non-white and there's all kinds of backlash against that and her "doubtful blood" and, like, Sybell Spicer is one of the more intriguing minor characters who is basically a female WOC Tywin Lannister and just, THEY COULD HAVE DONE SO MUCH. They could have given her a REASON for disliking the higher nobility because they didn't ACCEPT her (I mean, Jeyne's father in canon asked Kevan Lannister if she could marry his third son who was still a squire and he refused because she's mixed race---just, THERE IS FASCINATING CLASS ISSUES THEY DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH UPON FOR THEIR RIDICULOUSNESS THAT MADE NO SENSE.) And now I am really worried they're going to make her evil and bring about Rob's downfall and how it'll be all her fault and it makes me grumpy.
See, I think you and I disagree slightly on this? I honestly believe that they were in love, but a terrible kind? A kind that fucked them up and made them make terrible decisions and just actually really selfish? I mean, I feel like the honor thing is actually just an excuse because Jeyne herself had little to no marriage prospects anyway and she's not the only noble woman who has had pre-martial sex and gotten away with it (Barbery Dustin, Cersei Lannister, Arianne Martell, Asha Greyjoy, ALL THE MORMONTS who have kids who they make hilarious jokes about being fathered by bears---they're not all Lysa Tullys) and even if she did end up pregnant, Sybell would have taken care of it a la Hoster. There's also the fact that marrying Robb put her in more danger than it did to protect her. It made the Lannisters upset with her family, it made the Freys threaten to kill her (there is legit a scene where one said that his sisters wouldn't mind marrying a widower), and in the end, she lost more than she gained, losing not only Robb, but HER BROTHER, her trust and faith in her mother, the tiny scraps of agency she grabbed up with both hands because now she's going to be locked up for two years in order to prove she's suitable for marriage to a stranger.
And there is also the fact that it makes no sense for Jeyne to sleep with him if she didn't feel SOMETHING for him? This man invaded her home, had previously made her father a captive, had just made them all captives, his presence killed people she cared about---tbh, I think she hated him at first and considered killing him when she went into pull out the arrow and stitch up his wound, but stopped herself that would bring even more heat on her family and also, he just looked like a boy to her. I think they slowly bonded because Jeyne was determined to make sure he lived and they grudgingly bonded, at first, then she found that she LIKED HIM and how TERRIBLE that is (tbh, I think something must have happened there because, god, Robb charmed all the Westerlings save for Sybell; Raynald became his new BFF, Rollam never wanted to leave his side---this is strange behavior to a man who invaded your home; it also gives me wrm fuzzies because the Westerlings became a family to him when he had pretty much lost his and, like, they provided this lovely stability for him in a time when he needed it most).
LOL, TWO PARTS, I AM RIDICULOUS: opheliahydeJune 7 2012, 22:48:35 UTC
I think Jeyne's feelings for him were very confusing and Robb just... clung to her because he was so lost (he was losing everyone, he was even losing the war before he even met her, he didn't save his sisters, he didn't save his father.... then his brother dies and his home burns) and adrift and the war and the crown was weighing heavily on him (honestly, I have no problem with Robb being selfish and marrying her for love in the show because THAT made sense to me---Robb has a lot of dark corners that aren't particularly noticeable because it's from Cat's POV, but he is all about making extremely selfish choices and very myopic when it comes to setting aside people he cares about compared to everyone else; he was once going to order 100 of his men to join the Watch to get Jon back, for example---it's just that they did it all wrong and made him an asshole to Cat in ways he would NEVER). And Jeyne in my head is searching for some scrap of agency, for a chance to make her own choices, even if they're stupid. I imagine being Sybell Spicer's eldest daughter is extremely suffocating and I feel like it's a combination of so many factors, but I genuinely believe there was love at the root of it, but not a love the conquers all, nor exalts, but a love that makes everything terrible.
Sorry, I have a lot of feelings /o\ I AM CUTTING MYSELF OFF BECAUSE I CAN GO ON FOREVER AND EVER. But I still care about Robb (can't not, stupid boy who gives me to many feels I never asked for), I am just upset that the show just made him a straight-up asshole and tore apart my girlfriend Cat's arc and just did terrible things to Talisa!Jeyne and ruined that fact that Oona could have been perfect /o\
Re: LOL, TWO PARTS, I AM RIDICULOUS: midnightblack07June 8 2012, 05:43:23 UTC
I THINK YOU MORE OR LESS SOLD ME ON THE IDEA THAT THEY WERE IN LOVE (THOUGH OF THE MOST UNFORTUNATE VARIETY), AND I AM WEEPING TEARS OF BLOOD OVER THE FACT THAT THE SHOW DIDN'T JUST GO WITH YOUR HEAD CANON BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH MORE COMPELLING THAN WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DID AND JUST--WHY?! D:
I'm hoping that by the time we come back to season 3 I'm back to loving Robb like I did post-season 1, I mean I still don't want anything awful to happen to him so there' still that (lol) because despite his ass0hole-ishness with Cat HOW CAN ANYONE WANT BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN TO HIM REALLY?! But just, for now I have to admit I've lost some of my fervor and it's probably the single most disappointing thing for me coming out of this season :(
Re: LOL, TWO PARTS, I AM RIDICULOUS: opheliahydeJune 8 2012, 05:54:39 UTC
I HAVE ALL THIS CRAZY HEAD CANON THAT I WILL HOPEFULLY PUT INTO THESE TWO ROBB/JEYNE FICS I AM WRITING (one for your prompt from, like, round one of the kink meme, I AM SORRY I AM SO SLOW /o\). Well, technically one is basically a Jeyne fic with heavy Robb/Jeyne feels, but it's pretty much "JEYNE WESTERLING IS A PERSON: A MANIFESTO". I have too many feels. They should have just let me write it. I could have made it better and no ruined Cat in the process. THOUGH THAT'S WHAT THEY GET FOR CUTTING MAH BB TULLYS AND FORCE ROBB INTO ROLES THAT HE HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN (when Cat is arrested, it's EDMURE that arrests her and it's lovely in a heartbreaking way--- ROBB FORGIVES HIS MOTHER INSTANTLY /o\)
I've pretty much learned to compartmentalize and take the stuff I like and ignore the stuff I don't? I just have too many Robb feels to dislike him for the show because ultimately it's just one interpretation of the character---I still have mine, that won't go away. And I'll just write strongly worded letters if they continue to fuck shit up.
Re: LOL, TWO PARTS, I AM RIDICULOUS: midnightblack07June 8 2012, 07:12:54 UTC
OHHH I AM EXCITED TO READ WHAT YOU'VE COME UP WITH FOR MY PROMPT, and omg don't even worry I JUST filled a Jon/Sansa prompt from round 1 a few days ago, and it was fairly short tbh lol :$ BETTER LATE THAN NEVER, Y/Y??
ooohh I think you told me about that Jeyne fic, for the heroine big_bang I think?? Either way, SUPER excited to read it because the fail that is Robb/Talisa has only served to increase my love for book!Jeyne tenfold lol <333
Re: LOL, TWO PARTS, I AM RIDICULOUS: opheliahydeJune 8 2012, 18:49:19 UTC
Mine just keeps getting bigger and bigger /o\ It is currently at 11k and I still need to finish it up and have it beta'ed. I HAVE TOO MANY FEELS.
Yeah, I failed to do it for heroine big bang because I got distracted by my ridiculous big bang length Jon/Robb/Jeyne fic, but the show (and fandom, really; they keep pointing out things that don't even make sense or aren't even the problem with the plotline, it makes me make faces at them) has given me new desire to work on it. I think I'm going to take elements of the show and fix them, too? (The story about her brother drowning actually seemed plausible to me? The Crag is on the ocean and she DOES have a little brother, it was just the setting and the reasoning for the story that made no sense and the moral was so DUMB, but I could easily see her freaking out because her brother nearly died and it made her feel helpless and she asked their maester to teach her how he saved Rollam's life because she felt so helpless and never wanted to feel like that again---Jeyne herself pulled the arrow out of Robb's shoulder an stitched him up, so she did have nursing skills---sorry, I am ramble-y.)
I still need to finish ADWD, so at least I have a book to read in the meantime? BUT IA about the lack of fic. THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE and of stuff I'm interested in /o\
What KILLS me about that is that Jeyne is canonically non-white and there's all kinds of backlash against that and her "doubtful blood" and, like, Sybell Spicer is one of the more intriguing minor characters who is basically a female WOC Tywin Lannister and just, THEY COULD HAVE DONE SO MUCH. They could have given her a REASON for disliking the higher nobility because they didn't ACCEPT her (I mean, Jeyne's father in canon asked Kevan Lannister if she could marry his third son who was still a squire and he refused because she's mixed race---just, THERE IS FASCINATING CLASS ISSUES THEY DIDN'T EVEN TOUCH UPON FOR THEIR RIDICULOUSNESS THAT MADE NO SENSE.) And now I am really worried they're going to make her evil and bring about Rob's downfall and how it'll be all her fault and it makes me grumpy.
See, I think you and I disagree slightly on this? I honestly believe that they were in love, but a terrible kind? A kind that fucked them up and made them make terrible decisions and just actually really selfish? I mean, I feel like the honor thing is actually just an excuse because Jeyne herself had little to no marriage prospects anyway and she's not the only noble woman who has had pre-martial sex and gotten away with it (Barbery Dustin, Cersei Lannister, Arianne Martell, Asha Greyjoy, ALL THE MORMONTS who have kids who they make hilarious jokes about being fathered by bears---they're not all Lysa Tullys) and even if she did end up pregnant, Sybell would have taken care of it a la Hoster. There's also the fact that marrying Robb put her in more danger than it did to protect her. It made the Lannisters upset with her family, it made the Freys threaten to kill her (there is legit a scene where one said that his sisters wouldn't mind marrying a widower), and in the end, she lost more than she gained, losing not only Robb, but HER BROTHER, her trust and faith in her mother, the tiny scraps of agency she grabbed up with both hands because now she's going to be locked up for two years in order to prove she's suitable for marriage to a stranger.
And there is also the fact that it makes no sense for Jeyne to sleep with him if she didn't feel SOMETHING for him? This man invaded her home, had previously made her father a captive, had just made them all captives, his presence killed people she cared about---tbh, I think she hated him at first and considered killing him when she went into pull out the arrow and stitch up his wound, but stopped herself that would bring even more heat on her family and also, he just looked like a boy to her. I think they slowly bonded because Jeyne was determined to make sure he lived and they grudgingly bonded, at first, then she found that she LIKED HIM and how TERRIBLE that is (tbh, I think something must have happened there because, god, Robb charmed all the Westerlings save for Sybell; Raynald became his new BFF, Rollam never wanted to leave his side---this is strange behavior to a man who invaded your home; it also gives me wrm fuzzies because the Westerlings became a family to him when he had pretty much lost his and, like, they provided this lovely stability for him in a time when he needed it most).
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Sorry, I have a lot of feelings /o\ I AM CUTTING MYSELF OFF BECAUSE I CAN GO ON FOREVER AND EVER. But I still care about Robb (can't not, stupid boy who gives me to many feels I never asked for), I am just upset that the show just made him a straight-up asshole and tore apart my girlfriend Cat's arc and just did terrible things to Talisa!Jeyne and ruined that fact that Oona could have been perfect /o\
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I'm hoping that by the time we come back to season 3 I'm back to loving Robb like I did post-season 1, I mean I still don't want anything awful to happen to him so there' still that (lol) because despite his ass0hole-ishness with Cat HOW CAN ANYONE WANT BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN TO HIM REALLY?! But just, for now I have to admit I've lost some of my fervor and it's probably the single most disappointing thing for me coming out of this season :(
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I've pretty much learned to compartmentalize and take the stuff I like and ignore the stuff I don't? I just have too many Robb feels to dislike him for the show because ultimately it's just one interpretation of the character---I still have mine, that won't go away. And I'll just write strongly worded letters if they continue to fuck shit up.
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ooohh I think you told me about that Jeyne fic, for the heroine big_bang I think?? Either way, SUPER excited to read it because the fail that is Robb/Talisa has only served to increase my love for book!Jeyne tenfold lol <333
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Yeah, I failed to do it for heroine big bang because I got distracted by my ridiculous big bang length Jon/Robb/Jeyne fic, but the show (and fandom, really; they keep pointing out things that don't even make sense or aren't even the problem with the plotline, it makes me make faces at them) has given me new desire to work on it. I think I'm going to take elements of the show and fix them, too? (The story about her brother drowning actually seemed plausible to me? The Crag is on the ocean and she DOES have a little brother, it was just the setting and the reasoning for the story that made no sense and the moral was so DUMB, but I could easily see her freaking out because her brother nearly died and it made her feel helpless and she asked their maester to teach her how he saved Rollam's life because she felt so helpless and never wanted to feel like that again---Jeyne herself pulled the arrow out of Robb's shoulder an stitched him up, so she did have nursing skills---sorry, I am ramble-y.)
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