Part of me wants to type, "I'm an expert scroller," but that seems dumb... I do always keep scrolling, though, looking for something that interests me. Hope springs eternal for me, at least in the context of fic memes. I do prefer more emotional/story context in my porn, too... I think emotional context makes the porn for me, a lot of the time. Or it being funny.
I would greatly welcome that! And I do consider alluding to sex good enough, actually, for the porn battle, if you want to go fuzzier. I understand feeling weird about writing about sex... I used to feel weird about it, and sometimes still do when writing out-of-my-comfort-range sort of stuff. It's tricky, and, for a while, sort of uncomfortable at first. (That's what she said!) And I noticed your prompts! Well, I assumed they were yours, since it was one-third of your username and Jack/Liz prompts. (I think you might be the only person besides me to leave Jack/Liz prompts... Well, I may have missed something, because I don't think I scrolled through every page. But every 30 Rock prompt I saw was Liz/Wesley.)
Oh totally, funny sex is almost better than emotional sex, especially with comedy pairings. And this has just reminded me to prompt for Extras fic (I did remember Spaced), because Andy and Maggie would have very funny sex and hardly anybody writes anything for either of those fandoms, so maybe I'll get lucky here!
Yeah -- I participated once, several battles ago, with this Duchovny/Anderson RPF prompt that only alluded to implied sex (yes that is the distance I require in my Duchovny/Anderson RPF), which is the sort of off-screen trick I could imagine doing again. We'll see! Funnily enough it's just embarrassing to admit in "public" that I have imagined the specifics of characters/actors having sex, despite the fact that I *read* it obviously and constantly and everybody else here does it. Heee.
I saw all those Liz/Wesley prompts, and I glared a little at them.
(i am recreating a lost comment, hopefully without losing anything.)michellekJuly 30 2011, 02:42:04 UTC
I don't know, angsty sex is pretty high on my list of favored fic things. Not that emotional sex is always angsty, I'm just saying that it may always have a big advantage because of my love of depressed people. That being said, a funny, smutty fic where there's obvious affection between the people having the sex? Probably the best. Yeah, there is so little Extras fic! I remember reading a comment on your LJ about how Rule 34 is never true when you want it to be, and that is so true... like, there's kinky Care Bears fic and no Extras fic of any type ever, and why does that happen. I think I've only seen one Spaced fic, but I'm sure you'd know better than me, as you searched for it more. Anyway, I do agree, Andy and Maggie would have funny sex.
I hope you can make that happen! (Incidentally, I once wrote Duchovny/Anderson fic for a porn battle... I can't remember how explicit it was. I've gone through this thing where I find sexually explicit RPF increasingly uncomfortable, to the point now where I don't think I could read it, and I think I had started on that path at the time.)
I don't get the Liz/Wesley thing gaining popularity. And this is where I stress that people don't get a lot of stuff I like... so I'm not saying 'I'm objectively right, they're objectively wrong.' (I suppose Liz/Wesley has a better chance of being endgame than my silly ship.) I'm really only saying I don't get it. And don't want it to happen on the show. But we've discussed this before, so we don't need to again. But what I mostly want to add is that I feel kind of guilty for writing the few Liz/Wesley things I have, not as a Jack/Liz shipper but as a non-Liz/Wesley shipper. I feel like a poser, even though I never said I shipped them... like I had no business writing them at all, or something.
Re: (i am recreating a lost comment, hopefully without losing anything.)frey_at_lastJuly 30 2011, 05:03:43 UTC
For me, it depends on the kind of angst. I was going to elaborate but then it got boring even for me. But yet, funny sex that also involves people who love each other is so fun to read. Ugh, I can't get over my annoyance at the dearth of good Extras and Spaced fic. I think it's mainly that it's really hard to write for a comedy series, and both of those shows have a pretty distinctive voice. I know *I* feel like I can't write it because they're British, and it wouldn't sound natural unless I tried to be so scrupulous about it that I'd never get anywhere. I have read a little bit of Spaced fic here and there, but honestly, in my memory there was only one, maybe two authors who I thought could write it reasonably well.
30 Rock might very well be in that same comedy-show-difficulty if not for you and, well, was anybody else writing it before you? I think I remember seeing some early leiascully stuff that was good, but certainly I would never have been able to write fic for it without the model of other people.
I remember your Duchovny/Anderson RPF! I remembered it at the time, and thought it was great, and then a couple years later ran across it again and was like, woah, that was Michelle! It was funny... to me. (And I also don't remember how explicit it was.)
I feel like a lot of the Wesley popularity must be based on a liking for Michael Sheen that I don't have... I like Michael Sheen, but don't really find him attractive... and I thought he was funny on the show but didn't even make as much sense as Dennis. In fact, whenever I talk about this pairing, I find myself defending Dennis Duffy way more than I ever thought possible.
Re: (i am recreating a lost comment, hopefully without losing anything.)michellekAugust 3 2011, 06:18:24 UTC
I feel intimidated by the idea of writing for a British show, too... there's so much more of a chance of getting things wrong, or kind of overdoing it on the Britishisms. But, yeah, it is so much more taxing/worrying to start writing for a sitcom, especially if you're going to write something humor-based.
The first 30 Rock thing I remember reading was by dollsome, and I think that's all I had seen around before I wrote my first fic. (And, speaking of 'being intimidated by sitcoms,' I was apprehensive about trying to write it.) I'm pretty sure I wrote the first sexually explicit Jack/Liz fic... and that it was for the Porn Battle. I mention that just because I realized it, and this post is technically about the Porn Battle.
I find that amusing, too, I must say.
It's the sort of dynamic I'd always be reluctant to ship, but I think it would probably would have a better chance to win me over in the long haul if I found Michael Sheen super cute/hot. (Note: I think he's good-looking, but he's not someone I find super sexy.) As I think there is a Michael Sheen love-level correlation for a lot of people. Like, I see posts at Tumblr that are all, "He's so adorable and they have to have babies!" and I think, "Is he? Do they? I am unconvinced." And, ha! I've defended Dennis while talking about Wesley/Liz, too. And, you know, out of all the sad ways Liz's life could end -- in context of the show -- I think 'married to Dennis' is way less depressing than 'married to Wesley.'
Re: (i am recreating a lost comment, hopefully without losing anything.)frey_at_lastAugust 3 2011, 06:47:16 UTC
Yes, dollsome's fic is/was great, too! (I looked up the leiascully thing and realized she didn't write anything until later - I must've mixed them up in my head because they have both written in several of my fandoms through the years...) I remember reading it about as early as I read yours. Of course, I got into the fandom in January 09. So.
In reading your entire corpus several times (ahem), I've often gone down and read the comments, and it's fun to read people being all, "I didn't know Jack/Liz sex could be okay but you have made me believe" and "wasn't it cute last week I think they are going to happen!" and other stuff we people used to think.
Re: (i am recreating a lost comment, hopefully without losing anything.)michellekAugust 4 2011, 00:55:12 UTC
It's weird to me now, that I've been in this fandom since the beginning. And watched it from the beginning. (Most people seemed to have picked up watching it later.) Like, how I have been doing this for so long.
Semi-recently I got a comment for a post-'100' ficlet I wrote that said, "I thought something was going to happen between them in the episode," and I felt like I had gone back in time. I couldn't remember the last time I got such a comment, honestly. I never thought I'd get a comment like that again!
I would greatly welcome that! And I do consider alluding to sex good enough, actually, for the porn battle, if you want to go fuzzier. I understand feeling weird about writing about sex... I used to feel weird about it, and sometimes still do when writing out-of-my-comfort-range sort of stuff. It's tricky, and, for a while, sort of uncomfortable at first. (That's what she said!) And I noticed your prompts! Well, I assumed they were yours, since it was one-third of your username and Jack/Liz prompts. (I think you might be the only person besides me to leave Jack/Liz prompts... Well, I may have missed something, because I don't think I scrolled through every page. But every 30 Rock prompt I saw was Liz/Wesley.)
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Yeah -- I participated once, several battles ago, with this Duchovny/Anderson RPF prompt that only alluded to implied sex (yes that is the distance I require in my Duchovny/Anderson RPF), which is the sort of off-screen trick I could imagine doing again. We'll see! Funnily enough it's just embarrassing to admit in "public" that I have imagined the specifics of characters/actors having sex, despite the fact that I *read* it obviously and constantly and everybody else here does it. Heee.
I saw all those Liz/Wesley prompts, and I glared a little at them.
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I hope you can make that happen! (Incidentally, I once wrote Duchovny/Anderson fic for a porn battle... I can't remember how explicit it was. I've gone through this thing where I find sexually explicit RPF increasingly uncomfortable, to the point now where I don't think I could read it, and I think I had started on that path at the time.)
I don't get the Liz/Wesley thing gaining popularity. And this is where I stress that people don't get a lot of stuff I like... so I'm not saying 'I'm objectively right, they're objectively wrong.' (I suppose Liz/Wesley has a better chance of being endgame than my silly ship.) I'm really only saying I don't get it. And don't want it to happen on the show. But we've discussed this before, so we don't need to again. But what I mostly want to add is that I feel kind of guilty for writing the few Liz/Wesley things I have, not as a Jack/Liz shipper but as a non-Liz/Wesley shipper. I feel like a poser, even though I never said I shipped them... like I had no business writing them at all, or something.
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30 Rock might very well be in that same comedy-show-difficulty if not for you and, well, was anybody else writing it before you? I think I remember seeing some early leiascully stuff that was good, but certainly I would never have been able to write fic for it without the model of other people.
I remember your Duchovny/Anderson RPF! I remembered it at the time, and thought it was great, and then a couple years later ran across it again and was like, woah, that was Michelle! It was funny... to me. (And I also don't remember how explicit it was.)
I feel like a lot of the Wesley popularity must be based on a liking for Michael Sheen that I don't have... I like Michael Sheen, but don't really find him attractive... and I thought he was funny on the show but didn't even make as much sense as Dennis. In fact, whenever I talk about this pairing, I find myself defending Dennis Duffy way more than I ever thought possible.
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The first 30 Rock thing I remember reading was by dollsome, and I think that's all I had seen around before I wrote my first fic. (And, speaking of 'being intimidated by sitcoms,' I was apprehensive about trying to write it.) I'm pretty sure I wrote the first sexually explicit Jack/Liz fic... and that it was for the Porn Battle. I mention that just because I realized it, and this post is technically about the Porn Battle.
I find that amusing, too, I must say.
It's the sort of dynamic I'd always be reluctant to ship, but I think it would probably would have a better chance to win me over in the long haul if I found Michael Sheen super cute/hot. (Note: I think he's good-looking, but he's not someone I find super sexy.) As I think there is a Michael Sheen love-level correlation for a lot of people. Like, I see posts at Tumblr that are all, "He's so adorable and they have to have babies!" and I think, "Is he? Do they? I am unconvinced." And, ha! I've defended Dennis while talking about Wesley/Liz, too. And, you know, out of all the sad ways Liz's life could end -- in context of the show -- I think 'married to Dennis' is way less depressing than 'married to Wesley.'
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In reading your entire corpus several times (ahem), I've often gone down and read the comments, and it's fun to read people being all, "I didn't know Jack/Liz sex could be okay but you have made me believe" and "wasn't it cute last week I think they are going to happen!" and other stuff we people used to think.
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Semi-recently I got a comment for a post-'100' ficlet I wrote that said, "I thought something was going to happen between them in the episode," and I felt like I had gone back in time. I couldn't remember the last time I got such a comment, honestly. I never thought I'd get a comment like that again!
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