Warnings: Not for Sirius Black fans.
Part (3)
Title: How innocent was Sirius Black?
Spoilers: Prisoner of Azkaban (PoA), The Order of the Phoenix (OotP)
Summary: This is a multi part (3) piece.
Beta by my ever wonderful "cho_sa"
A/N: I would very much appreciate it if you do not go after my blood/head/or any other part of my physiology. A/N2: I would like to thank
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Why would I mind? The more the merrier. The only reason I'm posting here, is because the rules did not say it wasn't allowed. Sometimes I see people doing a 'x-posting' to their journal. I have no idea how to do that, so…
Welcome.
Thank you for pointing out this. I was under the impression that everybody find this an acceptable behavior
You see; a lot of people think Snape deserves what ever harm befalls him. And don't forget, JKR did not make it un-acceptable.
because werewolves don't do animals
I remember thinking when I read PoA, 'Then what do they eat? Salad!?' .Werewolves in HP don't seem to be hunters except for the flesh of man (oh. Please, spare me).
they were perhaps dabbling in Dark Magic, or in whatever magic that let them create the Map, that is a moderately sentient being, and quite similar to Riddle's Diary.
Didn't think of it that way. Very interesting view.
Dumbledore, the most powerful and wise wizard of the magic world (For the sake of argument, let’s just assume he is/was):
I notice you don't say 'good'.
Took a werewolf and educated him and kept his secret.
And the werewolf deceived him twice, when a student and when a teacher. So much for power and wisdom
I'm so glad I'm not the one saying that.
Revealing the Prank would have harm mainly Dumbledore
BRAVO. Finally. Someone had said it.
If you were Lily, whom would you have as yours and your child's Secret Keeper? The greatest wizard of your age or your husband's hot-headed best friend? The choice shows that they did not trust Dumbledore, not that they trusted Sirius more.
Why do I have this feeling that Lily was 'convinced' somehow to fall for James?
(His hysterical cries when he thought he killed Pettigrew must be signs of a mental break down.)
After twelve years in jail in a dog body he is allowed a break down.
I meant before, when Pettigrew faked his own death.
But good point none the less.
The old Blacks were against Voldemort, at the end
If that were true; then Sirius is the pettiest hypocrite in HP world.
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I remember thinking when I read PoA, 'Then what do they eat? Salad!?' .Werewolves in HP don't seem to be hunters except for the flesh of man (oh. Please, spare me).
A werewolf is in his wolf form only for part of a night once a month, so he/she does not need to feed or starve. But the illness/madness/curse make him/her actively seek human beings to infect. The wolf form (it is NOT a wolf and has NOT a normal wolf's behavior) is not rational, to say the least, so it often bites its victims to death. Then it may or may not feed on them.
Why do I have this feeling that Lily was 'convinced' somehow to fall for James?
That was Harry's first impression on the Pensieve scene, even if in her interview JKR told clearly that Lily was interested in James for a long time before allowing him anywhere near her. You know how we woman are.
But here we are talking of protecting her own child's life. Surely she should have a say in it! More so if it was Lily that made the Fidelius charm.
That's how McGonagall told the tale: "James Potter told Dumbledore that Black would die rather than tell where they were, that Black was planning to go into hiding himself … and yet, Dumbledore remained worried. I remember him offering to be the Potters’ Secret-Keeper himself." Dumbledore's offer must have be before the actual choice, because the Fidelius charm cannot be undone. Then Sirius said clearly that Lily and James made Peter the Secret Keeper because he, Sirius, suggested it. James and Lily never chose Sirius. They lied to Dumbledore on that. And they believed that Voldemort would hear this lie and would come after Sirius.
(His hysterical cries when he thought he killed Pettigrew must be signs of a mental break down.)
Says Fudge: "A crater in the middle of the street, so deep it had cracked the sewer below. Bodies everywhere. Muggles screaming. And Black standing there laughing, with what was left of Pettigrew in front of him … a heap of blood-stained robes and a few - a few fragments -”
Sirius was hysterical, but he never thought that he killed Peter. He saw Peter kill twelve muggles (how?), rip his own finger and disappear as a rat (in the cracked sewer, maybe). Then he left himself be shipped of to Azkaban without trial and without telling anyone what he knew. He could not allow himself to tell the world how he was outwitted by weak, stupid Peter.
And about Sirius at Azkaban:
(Hermione:)“If you don’t mind me asking, how - how did you get out of Azkaban, if you didn’t use Dark Magic?”
“Thank you!” gasped Pettigrew, nodding frantically at her. “Exactly! Precisely what I -”
But Lupin silenced him with a look. Black was frowning slightly at Hermione, but not as though he was annoyed with her. He seemed to be pondering his answer.
“I don’t know how I did it,” he said slowly.
WHAT?
And what was Peter trying to say before Lupin silenced him?
If that were true; then Sirius is the pettiest hypocrite in HP world.
By the way, according to the Black Family tree, his parents could not disown him. They both died before Arcturus, who as head of the family would have had the last say on that. Also, I don't mean that they became actively anti-Voldemort, even if the death of Orion in the same year of his son Regulus make me wonder...
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Hey, I've a better idea - they should have made Peter the secret keeper for their hiding place, and THEN make Sirius the secret keeper for the "secret" that Peter was the real secret keeper. Am I making sense? Then maybe make Lily/James the secret keeper for that. Wouldn't that just be superb?
Honestly, why can't James/Lily be the secret keeper for Godric's Hollow? Dumbledore was the secret keeper for Grimmauld Place.
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Plot-holes.
Plot-holes.
Plot-holes.
Silly
Silly
Silly
And still we theorize and argue.
Is it right to enjoy such 'activity'?
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And still we theorize and argue.
Is it right to enjoy such 'activity'?
probably not. Why waste our time?
*Going to get some swiss cheese for lunch, at least I know I enjoy swiss cheese*
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One suppose that to press the nose against the window Voldemort should have to see the house. Maybe the Fidelius can be used to hide people as well as buildings: Dumbledore was Grimmauld Place's Secret Keeper just like Peter was the Potters' Secret Keeper.
The idea was not to protect Godric's Hollow: it was to protect Harry. Why his parents went in hiding when he was eighteen months old, when Voldemort knew the profecy even before he was born, that's I want to know.
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Yeah! I'd like to know why also.
NO WAIT
I don't.
This is discussing Sirius not Voldy or Harry.
PLEASE! NO ONE REPLIES TO THIS COMMENT
courtaud if anybody answeres this, you're to blame. And YOU are the one to answer.
I'm not dealing with it
*scowls and walks away*
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Back to Sirius! Please!
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You know way too much about werewolves. Which incidently not like the movie I saw a month ago.
in her interview JKR told clearly that Lily was interested in James for a long time before allowing him anywhere near her.
I Really hate these 'interviews'. For me, a real writer will stick to his books, without the need to justify or explain. I never heard of a writer giving so many interviews about a book before.
I'm sorry, but to me, it's lowering the credibility of the writer.
You know how we woman are.
You mean 'No' is not a 'No'?
James Potter told Dumbledore that Black would die rather than tell where they were, that Black was planning to go into hiding himself … and yet, Dumbledore remained worried.
Black wanted to go into hiding (a.k.a. FLEE). And DD remained worried after being told about Black being their secret-keeper (Because he did not trust Black)
Plot-holes.
Plot-holes.
Plot-holes.
He could not allow himself to tell the world how he was outwitted by weak, stupid Peter.
You can't trust someone who puts their own pride over common sense and self preservation.
And what was Peter trying to say before Lupin silenced him?
I see a theory blooming in the horizon.
By the way, according to the Black Family tree, his parents could not disown him. They both died before Arcturus, who as head of the family would have had the last say on that. Also, I don't mean that they became actively anti-Voldemort, even if the death of Orion in the same year of his son Regulus make me wonder...
HA…
Who on earth told you that?
Where do you get this information?
And what are you talking about?
Who is this 'Orion'? and what does he have to do with Regulus?
(For this last part, you are not obliged to answer. I'm not so sure I want to know)
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Damn, I said too much! ^_^
Rowling's werewolves are fairly traditional. We know a couple of them: Lupin and Fenrir. We can see that Lupin is fully rational until the rise of the full moon and fully rational the morning after, albeit weak and ill-looking. We also know that Fenrir has to go near an intended victim _before_ the transformation happens, else he would roam in search of whomever he can find.
Also, it is obvious that it is not the behavior of a normal wolf; maybe of a rabid animal, because these lost their fear of people and are very aggressive.
You mean 'No' is not a 'No'?
Well, you have to keep them on their toes, you know. Besides, James Potter was a catch, pure-blooded and rich also, so he was worth of a little strategy.
Black wanted to go into hiding (a.k.a. FLEE). And DD remained worried after being told about Black being their secret-keeper (Because he did not trust Black)
Going into hiding was part of the plan, but I don't believe that he was scheming for saving his live: the guy is not a coward; beside, fleeing after the information leaked would have draw the Death Eaters after him (and this was the plan). As for Dumbledore not trusting him: he could have 'not trusted him' because he was, generally speaking, too rash and wild or 'not trusted him' because he could have been the fantomatic 'spy' in the Order. But I wished to point that James and Lily did not trust Dumbledore, at the time.
I see a theory blooming in the horizon.
Sorry, no. I merely think that in the Shrieking Shack things were told that still we cannot evaluated fully. By the way, in Sirius' tale of his evasion, he does not mention that the dog 'so thin that he coud pass between the bars' (but he does not remember that!) not only swimmed for a hundred miles in the North Sea to the land, but also made a (useless) trip to Privet Drive before heading to Hogwarts, and that's more than thousand kilometers. And how come that in the only newspaper anyone left in his cell 'by error' in twelve years the first page was taken by a stupid news... with the picture of Peter?
Who on earth told you that?
Where do you get this information?
And what are you talking about?
JKR has traced a family tree for the Black Family, from Nigellus to Draco. You can see it at http://www.hp-lexicon.org/images/blackfamilytrees/official-final-version.gif
Here we can contemplate many strange things.
Anyway, Orion was Sirius and Regulus' father, and Arcturus their grandfather. We can see that Arcturus survived both his son and daughter-in-law, who was his niece, by the way. Orion died the same year than Regulus (1979), Arcturus in 1991. A LOT of Blacks standing between the disowned Sirius and his inheriting of Grimmauld Place died just before his escaping from Azkaban.
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Blacks don't live as long as wizards should, do they? Perhaps they are all suicidal or something? Or supremely rash and careless?
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They also have fatal illnesses (Barty crouch's mother, Draco's grandfather) and are prone to nasty incidents (Luna's mother), not to speak of those who died in the various wars.
They marry very early, in general, and that's not typical of long-living populations.
They _think_ they are long lived, because century ago their lifespan was significantly longer than muggles', and they never made a check on the data. But apart the forementioned exceptions, their life expectancy is a little short for people living in the Twentieth Century.
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When the Black family tree was first published, many noticed the 'short' lifespans, and many theories flourished.
Almost all were variation of 'Because being EVIL is bad to you!', but then people noticed that also the 'Wizards of the month' at JKR site had quite normal lifespan (with the strange exception of those related somehow with Goblins, like mrs. Merchbank herself).
Since then, 'Wizards of the month' live longer...
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Because he's a super dog!
You mean 'No' is not a 'No'?
Well, you have to keep them on their toes,
I like what my great ants say, which is roughly translated: "Let them smell, but never taste."
Besides, James Potter was a catch, pure-blooded and rich also, so he was worth of a little strategy.
Then I don't like Lily anymore.
*makes a face*
There is a 'HP-Lexicon?'
(this has went beyond 'way too much')
Thanks. But I don't want to see it.
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How could I not think of that! *feels silly*
Then I don't like Lily anymore.
I have a feeling that we will see a lot of her in the last book.
Anyway JKR has made richly clear that a woman is allowed strategy for catching her man: look at Ginny! And rightly so, because if a woman fail to catch him she would waste away: look at Tonks!
The Lexicon is useful to anyone who wants to check the data to back up their theories with canon. JKR uses it!
Thanks. But I don't want to see it.
Why? Climbing the Black family tree is an healty exercise!
If we choose to consider it as 'canon', it shows a lot about the background of Sirius (I'm trying to keep the topic on Sirius because i'm still scared). And by the way, do you think that Sirius is the kind of guy who makes a will? At thirty-five? And gives it to Dumbledore to keep?
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