Warnings: Not for Sirius Black fans.

[menolike]

Part (3)
Title: How innocent was Sirius Black?
Spoilers: Prisoner of Azkaban (PoA), The Order of the Phoenix (OotP)
Summary: This is a multi part (3) piece.
Beta by my ever wonderful "cho_sa" 
A/N: I would very much appreciate it if you do not go after my blood/head/or any other part of my physiology. A/N2: I would like to thank

Comments

[randomjitter]

I agree that Sirius Black isn't a very pleasant person in the books. But a lot of what you discussed can be just as easily attributed to plotholes. *sighs*, but let's not go there and open another can of worms.

He conveniently remained in Azkaban, even though he could have escaped at any time.

Perhaps he didn't know he could escape in his dog form. Perhaps he didn't have the will to escape before he knew Peter was alive. I agree this didn't reflect well on the strength of his personality. But let's be realistic - he grew up knowing hardly any hardship, to be then thrown in Azkaban could be quite tramatizing.

Mrs. Black never disowned Regulus, even though he tried to leave the Death Eaters and got killed for it.

Interesting point. I never thought of it. Perhaps because Regulus never turned his back on his family, while Sirius did?

Is it possible that Sirius always harbor jealousy toward Regulus, well before the break up with the Black family? His description of Regulus was reminiscent of Petunia's rant about Lily in Book 1. Sibling rivalry can be a bitch, apparently.

[menolike]

But a lot of what you discussed can be just as easily attributed to plotholes. *sighs*, but let's not go there and open another can of worms.

I wonder if there is a community called "Plot-holes-Anonymous,". Maybe they'll let us join. All six of us (I counted).

Perhaps he didn't know he could escape in his dog form.

Not very bright. Was he?

Perhaps because Regulus never turned his back on his family, while Sirius did?

What I found strange was that 'Alphard' was removed for a very stupid reason 'giving Sirius money'. While Regulus was kept. Hmmm...Another plot-hole?

Sibling rivalry can be a bitch

Very true. You wouldn't believe the fights my brothers and I had.

Thanks for commenting so soon after I posted.

[keek_six]

he was exceptionally good in school..but being school smart isnt the same as being street smart or just clever...which im not saying sirius isnt...but im sure that azkaban broke his spirit..and all he needed was a spark of strength like when he saw that picture of peter as a rat..im sure he just needed that little bit of desperation. im sure his ability to turn into a dog was simplistic to him...and the simple things are often over looked in bad situations...

[menolike]

he was exceptionally good in school

Of course he was. Show me a rich kid who didn't receive some kind of 'special' education before hand.

im sure his ability to turn into a dog was simplistic to him...and the simple things are often over looked in bad situations...

At the risk of repeating myself:
Not very bright was he? No wit either it seams.

[purplekagome413]

just want to point out that not all "rich" kids get special tutors or what not to make them smarter. and you wanted someone to point one out to you? well lookie here!! my parents are extremely well off but yet my brother and I all had a hard time in school and bearly scrapped by with a C average.

[menolike]

my brother and I all had a hard time in school and bearly scrapped by with a C average.

Of course, when you study on the night of the exam. That's exactly what would happen!

I feel sorry for your parents.
But then, they did spoil you.
And...
You don't happen to come from a noble-pure-blood family? Do you?

[purplekagome413]

ok first you know nothing about my family. if you did you would know that I was far from spoiled. I worked at the family store doing odd chores from the time I was four. yes four. child labor laws do not apply to family. I have worked my whole life and have paid my own way since I was 18.

as for my C average, it was not cause I studied the night before exams that my grades were poor. in fact I did quite well on exams. That fact alone is the only reason I had a C average. I was interested in other things besides grades in school. as for my brother he has learning disability.

please stop using generalizations. not all rich kids are spoiled, nor do they all do well in school. You asked for an example of a rich kid, I gave you one, and I was nice about it. you have no right to bash me or my family.

[ash6485]

thats right!

[menolike]

please stop using generalizations. not all rich kids are spoiled, nor do they all do well in school.

You are right! NOT ALL. But a great number are. I've seen it myself. Special tutors and all.
But we are not talking about just rich kids. No; we are talking about rich, pure-blood, noble-family kids. They have a certain status to keep. They can't have their child going to Hogwarts without knowing more than your average Muggle-born.
THAT's what I meant.

You asked for an example of a rich kid, I gave you one, and I was nice about it.

I don't really recall asking for one! I was surprised by your reply.

you have no right to bash me or my family.

Of course I have no right, no one does.
My sincere apologies If I appeared to be 'bashing' your family.
But yours was not what I was talking about.
Yours is a family who has lots of money, where I come from, that's how your family would be viewed.
They would not be considered rich unless they have lands of their own and an above than average history to go with it. If this family has 'cash in the bank', then that would be considered a plus. But that's it.

My own family doesn't have much 'cash in the bank', but we have the history and land, and so we are considered 'rich'. And yes, my parents made sure our education was much better than average. After all, we must preserve the family's name and honor. To fail would be a disaster (unfortunately that used to lead to some cases of suicide in some families). After all, there still exists the different families rivalry.

I really didn't want to tell you all this, but I felt the need to explain. (I will not do that again)

[mugglegirl0908]

"You asked for an example of a rich kid, I gave you one, and I was nice about it."

I don't really recall asking for one! I was surprised by your reply.

How about right here, dear:

"he was exceptionally good in school"

Of course he was. Show me a rich kid who didn't receive some kind of 'special' education before hand.

:)

[keek_six]

at risk of repeating yourself? you are. this is boring. good luck with this sirius bashing.

[menolike]

this is boring.
What can I say? Either this or watching 'Days of our lives' (or worse 'The bold and the beautiful')and this has less damaging effects on our brain cells.

good luck with this sirius bashing.
Thanks. I did warn Sirius Black's fans not to read this. So we're safe.

[keek_six]

i dont watch either of those soap opera shows. i know you warned everyone. i said good luck. *^_^*

[mugglegirl0908]

Exactly. Not to mention that 3/4 of the tl;dr essay is total and complete speculation without a single shred of canon evidence. I guess when all you want to do is randomly bash a character, you don't worry about little things like "evidence" and (God forbid!) "logic." They just get in the way.

:)

[plaidpooka]

I'm afraid that I have to agree with you, Mugglegirl. The one bit that keeps getting me is "He conveniently stayed in Azkaban when he could have escaped at any time." Right. Folks who know they can flee find it convenient to waste away in a mad prison guarded by happiness sucking fiends. I think that if Black could have escaped, he would have found a nice tropical island more convenient. Then he could have sat around drinking rum from a coconut instead of slowly going mad. I also don’t think he was stupid because he didn’t figure out he could escape until he was desperate to. If necessity is the mother of invention, then desperation is the mother of necessity. No one had ever escaped from Azkaban before at that point. Why would anyone know that they could?

I don’t particularly like Sirius. But I found most of this post to be a mix of very thin conjecture and rampant prejudice labeled as fact.