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melvin_udall October 12 2007, 12:25:16 UTC
Best case, this is a perfect example of Democrat foreign policy. Don't spare an opportunity to piss off an ally and shoot us in the foot.

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melvin_udall October 12 2007, 14:54:29 UTC
Republican foreign policy of late has not been good. However, it's worth mention a great many Republicans disagree with our current foreign policy. The same cannot be said of the Liberal groupthink for their plans.

Also, Republicans didn't sit by through repeated terrorist attacks, including one on the WTC, half-assedly handling them as police matters, all while terrorists grew and prospered in Afghanistan, planning the successful attack on the WTC.

This action, like most Democrat foreign policy, will get US soldiers and our allies killed, and will serve to embolden our enemy.

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melvin_udall October 12 2007, 21:28:44 UTC
Cold War. There was a lot going on. Our chief problem was the Soviet Union. That, too, was being emboldened by more than half our representatives at every turn. Countering the Soviets was The #1 priority, as it should have been. Look at all the pervasive damage throughout this country and the world by communist influence. We're still dealing with it today in so many ways it's incalcuable ( ... )

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1 of 3 melvin_udall October 13 2007, 22:27:03 UTC
It went on way after the Cold War.

The Cold War ended a very short 17 years ago. Unlike in a shooting war, the warriors and leaders take a much longer time to change mindset.

Keep in mind, please, men who were just out of college, at 22 to 25, having spent their whole lives and educations under the shadow of nuclear annihilation and an enemy as powerful as us, thoroughly evil, with the intent of taking over the world, are this year turning 39 - 42. That's mid-level for many policy types.

Pretending anyone over that age wasn't profoundly effected and influenced by the Cold War, which dominated almost everything, is to deny history and commit a grave disservice to those of the time, dead and living.

Speaking of which, as to "way after," Chavez first attempted a coup in 1992, at the age of 38. He was thoroughly in love with Marx and Lenin, teaching both as part of his main philosophy, well prior to his first coup attempt one year after Soviet collapse.

is a direct result of U.S. foreign policy which funded the campaign of his ( ... )

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2 of 3 melvin_udall October 13 2007, 22:41:12 UTC
replaced him with the Shah. I'm not sure if that ruler supported the USSR,
Iran was on it's way to being far less radical, as Persia has always had a Western Flavor. Installing the Shah (who sold out his country for our/his personal gain) reversed this
we are now paying the price for it.

Holy crap. When you mentioned this before I thought you were kidding, mocking throwingstardna's nonsense.

You mean the guy who nationalized the oil industry out from under Brtish Petroleum because he didn't like the terms of the deal set before he became leader, and who dissolved his parliament against the country's Constitution? The nationalization plunged them into debt. His collective farming was going downhill. The communist party of Iran was growing in power as things got worse, which was common. Oil nationalization, collective farming, pressure from Britain and Cold War fear of the Soviets and the Soviet-sympathetic Party then caused the US to take action against Iran ( ... )

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3 of 3 melvin_udall October 13 2007, 22:54:23 UTC
If I'm wrong on the history, please tell me when and how.

Stepping away from my thoughts on the history, I notice you've used the words "rape" and "exploit."

Please tell me how the average, the common person fared under pre-Shah, Shah, and Post-Shah that warrants that accusation. I'm not talking about the % of profits that went to rulers or other countries or companies. How were the people that warrants "rape" and "exploit?"

Exploitation feeds anti-Americanism.So do religious fundamentalism and communism ( ... )

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PS. Reading melvin_udall October 13 2007, 23:12:04 UTC
If you ever have some spare reading time, this is a fairly interesting story of the time, fictionalized, of course. It's no Tai-pan, but it's a decent read that puts you in there.

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