Archiving, re dehumanizing
As always, I apologize for being very late to or never replying, let alone posting. I am a person of habit and obsession, both of which work against me returning to LJ.
I even post rants here I want to remember to link to, then forget I did so. I need a secretary.
Obviously as propagandist cover in reaction to the non-left stating the left is encouraging mobs, NYT Opinion decided to vomit this bit of propaganda:
"'Until now, it seems as if the Democrats have been bringing a harmonica to a knife fight' #NYTLetters"
The delusion, the Orwellian direct inverse to reality, is mind boggling.
I'm not linking to the argument. What's the point? If you've seen one drone of the progressive collective make an argument you've pretty much seen them all. (That's the nature of collectives, as opposed to individuals.) Their common go to is Charlottseville, which is both just one example and entirely based on lies.
I commented:
"I can't imagine the clueless or lying human garbage who would present this ludicrous argument. I can imagine who would post it as if it deserves merit: The human garbage of @nytimes."
A Trump supporter partially replied:
"I gotta take issue here. #Dehumanizing people is how you get #JewsInOvens. 'Human garbage' You have to transform them into sub-humans for the populace to embrace a final solution."
I see this a lot. It's usually from the cowardly left projecting their own obvious desires onto others or to (SOP) deflect. It also sometimes comes from the non-left, who want to "be better than that," or fear the left will use our comments as "proof" of their accusations.
What the latter usually fail to consider is that it takes a recipe to bake a cake - or millions of people - not one ingredient.
I'm saving this so hopefully the next time it comes up I'll remember and just cut/paste. It's messy, but good enough for the venue.
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1/?/ I respectfully disagree. The way we get Jews/(the ignored Poles/Romani/gays/dissidents) in ovens, the Holodomor, Armenian Genocide is by 1) dehumanizing others *without cause*, usually grouping them by race/religion, 2) usually with a large, centralized,
2/?/
and 3) authoritarian/totalitarian government.
The people turn a blind eye to the slaughter because 1) govt continues to spread the lies, 2) govt organizes it, 3) govt hides/denies it, 4) govt spreads fear of questioning it, 5) govt, with planning, covers it up after
3/?/
Here, 1) I have cause. Leftist ideology is insatiable and increasingly dangerous. These people make it more obvious daily that what you've described is *precisely* what they have in mind should they take power.
4/?/
Consider: What do they do with the millions who will *never* agree with rejecting liberty & capitalism and accepting the yoke of central, totalitarian rule? A youtube video with Larry Grathwohl explains, but it's just common sense. ...
5/?/
2) I reject a large, centralized govt. 3) I reject authoritarianism/totalitarianism. It is very difficult in a time of peace for a liberty loving country with a Bill of Rights to commit genocide. I'd say impossible.
As to the govt doing it, same issues...
6/?/
1) Hard for a govt with liberty to prevent press reports & public condemnation. 2) decentralized govt has a hard time organizing it 3) a free press prevents hiding it 4) A decentralized govt of liberty has a hard time punishing those who reveal it...
7/?/
5) A properly transparent & decentralized govt can't hide the slaughter.
So nope. I respectfully reject the idea that simply stating that humans can be scum, or evil, or dangerous (all facts with irrefutable proof throughout history),
8/?/
and I'm dealing with that type of human based on the *evidence* that they *choose* to lie to MILLIONS about their political opposition,
projecting their own side's violence and hatred for the exact purpose you fear, is wrong.
9/?/ To paraphrase an idea from Steve Deace, the liberal seeks to mold society and govt in a way we oppose, while the leftist seeks to rule govt to force the molding of society by any means necessary.
https://t.co/uzv72QpZSS
10/?/
I can disagree with a liberal. Leftists/progressives are a dangerous Orwellian religion that will *proudly* lie (as they did here) and use any other means to put a jack boot on my neck while calling me a fascist for wanting liberty & the Constitution.
11/?/
I will call those people human garbage and vermin all day long. They are. If we can reclaim this republic from the virulent cancer of progressivism controlling every major part of society that isn't elected, so be it.
12/13/
I think we do so with the truth of our opposition, not "be above it all." If so, they will crawl back into their holes and rebrand for another resurgence, which our grandchildren will have to deal with.
If we win, what I called them won't matter. My goals protect them.
13/13/
If they win, I'm permanently marginalized, or more likely in a gulag. What I said won't have mattered, because any dissent from progressivism is equally evil.
If it becomes the Civil War they are forcing, well, all bets are off. They won't enjoy that option.
I even post rants here I want to remember to link to, then forget I did so. I need a secretary.
Obviously as propagandist cover in reaction to the non-left stating the left is encouraging mobs, NYT Opinion decided to vomit this bit of propaganda:
"'Until now, it seems as if the Democrats have been bringing a harmonica to a knife fight' #NYTLetters"
The delusion, the Orwellian direct inverse to reality, is mind boggling.
I'm not linking to the argument. What's the point? If you've seen one drone of the progressive collective make an argument you've pretty much seen them all. (That's the nature of collectives, as opposed to individuals.) Their common go to is Charlottseville, which is both just one example and entirely based on lies.
I commented:
"I can't imagine the clueless or lying human garbage who would present this ludicrous argument. I can imagine who would post it as if it deserves merit: The human garbage of @nytimes."
A Trump supporter partially replied:
"I gotta take issue here. #Dehumanizing people is how you get #JewsInOvens. 'Human garbage' You have to transform them into sub-humans for the populace to embrace a final solution."
I see this a lot. It's usually from the cowardly left projecting their own obvious desires onto others or to (SOP) deflect. It also sometimes comes from the non-left, who want to "be better than that," or fear the left will use our comments as "proof" of their accusations.
What the latter usually fail to consider is that it takes a recipe to bake a cake - or millions of people - not one ingredient.
I'm saving this so hopefully the next time it comes up I'll remember and just cut/paste. It's messy, but good enough for the venue.
________________
1/?/ I respectfully disagree. The way we get Jews/(the ignored Poles/Romani/gays/dissidents) in ovens, the Holodomor, Armenian Genocide is by 1) dehumanizing others *without cause*, usually grouping them by race/religion, 2) usually with a large, centralized,
2/?/
and 3) authoritarian/totalitarian government.
The people turn a blind eye to the slaughter because 1) govt continues to spread the lies, 2) govt organizes it, 3) govt hides/denies it, 4) govt spreads fear of questioning it, 5) govt, with planning, covers it up after
3/?/
Here, 1) I have cause. Leftist ideology is insatiable and increasingly dangerous. These people make it more obvious daily that what you've described is *precisely* what they have in mind should they take power.
4/?/
Consider: What do they do with the millions who will *never* agree with rejecting liberty & capitalism and accepting the yoke of central, totalitarian rule? A youtube video with Larry Grathwohl explains, but it's just common sense. ...
5/?/
2) I reject a large, centralized govt. 3) I reject authoritarianism/totalitarianism. It is very difficult in a time of peace for a liberty loving country with a Bill of Rights to commit genocide. I'd say impossible.
As to the govt doing it, same issues...
6/?/
1) Hard for a govt with liberty to prevent press reports & public condemnation. 2) decentralized govt has a hard time organizing it 3) a free press prevents hiding it 4) A decentralized govt of liberty has a hard time punishing those who reveal it...
7/?/
5) A properly transparent & decentralized govt can't hide the slaughter.
So nope. I respectfully reject the idea that simply stating that humans can be scum, or evil, or dangerous (all facts with irrefutable proof throughout history),
8/?/
and I'm dealing with that type of human based on the *evidence* that they *choose* to lie to MILLIONS about their political opposition,
projecting their own side's violence and hatred for the exact purpose you fear, is wrong.
9/?/ To paraphrase an idea from Steve Deace, the liberal seeks to mold society and govt in a way we oppose, while the leftist seeks to rule govt to force the molding of society by any means necessary.
https://t.co/uzv72QpZSS
10/?/
I can disagree with a liberal. Leftists/progressives are a dangerous Orwellian religion that will *proudly* lie (as they did here) and use any other means to put a jack boot on my neck while calling me a fascist for wanting liberty & the Constitution.
11/?/
I will call those people human garbage and vermin all day long. They are. If we can reclaim this republic from the virulent cancer of progressivism controlling every major part of society that isn't elected, so be it.
12/13/
I think we do so with the truth of our opposition, not "be above it all." If so, they will crawl back into their holes and rebrand for another resurgence, which our grandchildren will have to deal with.
If we win, what I called them won't matter. My goals protect them.
13/13/
If they win, I'm permanently marginalized, or more likely in a gulag. What I said won't have mattered, because any dissent from progressivism is equally evil.
If it becomes the Civil War they are forcing, well, all bets are off. They won't enjoy that option.