"Duh, how can you say Democrats or Obama are Marxist, derpy derp"
"Here kid. Try some. The first hit is free." - Any smart drug dealer.
Okay, with the Leftist zealots I get it. They can't help themselves from lying, denying it.
But the sheep who don't see it? Inexcusably pathetic. I'll make it simple:
If you look at Elizabeth Warren's rant, the one that went viral among the Democrat sheep, what she shares isn't subtle. And the themes are universal concepts among the Left. I'll address the key points that sum it up.
Warren said: "There is no one in this country who got rich on his own" and "But part of the underlying social contract is you take a chunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."
Obama has said in various ways: "We aspire to financial success, but we also understand that we're not successful just by ourselves" and ”America only prospers when we meet our obligations to one another and future generations.”
These are the same themes repeatedly. Consider them, and then follow the logic from there...
1) To exist in this country government MUST have touched your life. 2) If government touched your life you OWE it (by force). 3) That debt you owe is not to pay for what has come before. You don't just owe what has come before and the monumental debt government has accrued recently. No, you owe government to pay for what you experienced, for whatever debt they choose to accrue now, and as much as they think they need for the future. With that money they will involve themselves even more in everyone's lives (see Life of Julia), which to them then justifies their 'you owe us' argument.
You are in servitude to Democrats in the name of those not born, and they will be born into servitude over this debt and the debt government will create for the next generation after. They even TELL US THAT.
Marxist, fascist, socialist, authoritarian, what? When they add "pay it forward" there are no limits. They are saying they own it all, and they will let you have what they decide. You know, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
After the cut is part of what brought this on with lengthier comments on Warren's rant, as well as my taking apart an equally Marxist and stupid rant by Stephen King.
Brought on by this post and this dope's comment: "And they're all Marxist. I seem to be hearing that thrown around a LOT lately. Did I miss a memo here?"
To which I responded:
More people are coming to realize the truth or overcoming their fear of telling the truth. It used to be that ridicule from Leftist made people wary. Four years of "spread the wealth around", ows sympathizing, demonizing success, logic has put anger over a desire for acceptance.
and
http://dexeron.livejournal.com/444310.html?thread=1474198#t1474198
I suspect your comment was less than sincere, but I'll explain further.
Warren's viral rant, which King all but parrots in the OP:
“I hear all this, you know, ‘Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever. No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own - nobody.
'You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory - and hire someone to protect against this - because of the work the rest of us did.
'Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless - keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.'"
The two links at bottom expand on the problems with this Marxist rant. I'll cover some highlights.
The opening does not refute the class warfare accusation. It rather transparently distracts from it.
The second paragraph is a ball of lies and insults to intelligence. The rest of us paid for?
1) These evil rich of whom she speaks paid into gov as well, all the way up the line, just like everyone else. They used the resources we all get, but to better purpose.
2) Appr 49% of Americans pay ZERO income tax. How does that work out with "fair share" and the roads, etc. we ALL use? No one can legitimately claim "fair" ANYTHING if half pay ZERO (and often receive money).
3) The factory owner or idea man pays taxes on the factory, hired many workers who can now also pay taxes (but more than half won't pay income tax). They buy products and services that are taxed, and in so doing that employs others who are taxed. Shipped goods that are taxed. On land that is taxed. Used energy that is taxed. That's REAL stimulus, not-Obama-stimulus. Because of that factory or that idea, more taxes come in.
But paragraph 3 is where the true marxist scheming comes out.
She speaks of a social contract. First, it should be noted that a contract is typically entered into by willing parties to be valid. When she says "good for you" and "keep a hunk" she is clearly indicating that a ruling elite is allowing the tax payer to keep their money. If they're allowing it, they think it's their money in the first place.
But that isn't the damning part...
"There is no one in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody." "But part of the underlying social contract is you take a chunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."
Just look at those two items, especially in light of the fact that Democrats always want to expand government. They want government everywhere, touching every aspect of your life, including the air you breathe now. You can't escape them. Then look at that again.
1) To exist in this country government MUST have touched your life. 2) If government touched your life you OWE it (by force). 3) That debt you owe is not to pay for what has come before. You don't just owe what has come before and the monumental debt government has accrued recently. No, you owe government to pay for what you experienced, for whatever debt they choose to accrue now, and as much as they think they need for the future. You are in servitude to Warren in the name of those not born, and they will be born into servitude over this debt and the debt government will create for the next generation after.
Marxist, fascist, socialist, authoritarian, what? When they add "pay it forward" there are no limits. They are saying they own it all, and they will let you have what they decide. You know, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
http://melvin-udall.livejournal.com/1294593.html
http://melvin-udall.livejournal.com/1307531.html
and then to the OP...
http://dexeron.livejournal.com/444310.html?thread=1474454#t1474454
is for you to acknowledge that you couldn’t have made it in America without America
He speaks of it regularly, so this clearly isn't the goal.
That you were fortunate enough to be born in a country where upward mobility is possible
He speaks of it regularly, so this clearly isn't the goal.
(a subject upon which Barack Obama can speak with the authority of experience)
Notice how slips in the cheap class warfare? Adorable. And wouldn't it be nice if we had the slightest idea how Obama rose up?
but where the channels making such upward mobility possible are being increasingly clogged.
IF that's the case the question is why. His "solution" is take more from the rich. This "unclogs" nothing.
That it’s not fair to ask the middle class to assume a disproportionate amount of the tax burden.
Disproportionate is not only a deliberately subjective term, I have NO idea what possible metric he used to get there.
Not fair? It’s un-fucking-American is what it is.
Based on what definition, what reference from history? This is fantasy.
I want you to acknowledge that in America, we all should have to pay our fair share.
Mr. King should expand on this. 49% pay zero income tax. That's their "fair share"? "Fair" is another deliberately subjective term to spark the pavlovian response of sheep. It's meaningless.
That our civics classes never taught us that being American means that-sorry, kiddies-you’re on your own.
Good thing NO ONE suggested anything of the kind. This is cheap and silly. But... speaking of this dope saying what's "UnaAmerican", that WAS the American way for quite a long time, at least as far as government is concerned. CHARITY took care of the needy. But King can't allow that, because charity means religion, a marxist's enemy.
That those who have received much must be obligated to pay
Who the Hell RECEIVED much? King wrote his books. The government didn't GIVE them to him. I agree that what he has produced is worthless, but not so the banker, factory owner, the engineer, the EMPLOYER.
but to pay-in the same proportion
The funny thing about Leftists is that they never, NEVER EVER, come up with a firm answer of what's "fair" or "proportion". The top 1% pay approximately 40% of the income taxes. What's the "fair" amount?
That’s called stepping up and not whining about it. That’s called patriotism
So being American, stepping up and being patriotic is defined as paying until Democrats think you should stop.
Because I've got a LONG list of Democrats who dodge or don't pay taxes that King isn't calling out. Let's start with Ted "tax em" Kennedy's trust fund. No. He's calling out Romney.
Tea Partiers love to throw around
Reemphasizing what a partisan douchenozzle he is.
their beloved rich folks
Yes, the message of the tea party is to protect the rich (when they aren't busy being racist, I guess).
He "weighed in" with all the deep thought of a high school freshman whose civics teacher has a poster of Che on the wall.
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Okay, with the Leftist zealots I get it. They can't help themselves from lying, denying it.
But the sheep who don't see it? Inexcusably pathetic. I'll make it simple:
If you look at Elizabeth Warren's rant, the one that went viral among the Democrat sheep, what she shares isn't subtle. And the themes are universal concepts among the Left. I'll address the key points that sum it up.
Warren said: "There is no one in this country who got rich on his own" and "But part of the underlying social contract is you take a chunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."
Obama has said in various ways: "We aspire to financial success, but we also understand that we're not successful just by ourselves" and ”America only prospers when we meet our obligations to one another and future generations.”
These are the same themes repeatedly. Consider them, and then follow the logic from there...
1) To exist in this country government MUST have touched your life. 2) If government touched your life you OWE it (by force). 3) That debt you owe is not to pay for what has come before. You don't just owe what has come before and the monumental debt government has accrued recently. No, you owe government to pay for what you experienced, for whatever debt they choose to accrue now, and as much as they think they need for the future. With that money they will involve themselves even more in everyone's lives (see Life of Julia), which to them then justifies their 'you owe us' argument.
You are in servitude to Democrats in the name of those not born, and they will be born into servitude over this debt and the debt government will create for the next generation after. They even TELL US THAT.
Marxist, fascist, socialist, authoritarian, what? When they add "pay it forward" there are no limits. They are saying they own it all, and they will let you have what they decide. You know, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
After the cut is part of what brought this on with lengthier comments on Warren's rant, as well as my taking apart an equally Marxist and stupid rant by Stephen King.
Brought on by this post and this dope's comment: "And they're all Marxist. I seem to be hearing that thrown around a LOT lately. Did I miss a memo here?"
To which I responded:
More people are coming to realize the truth or overcoming their fear of telling the truth. It used to be that ridicule from Leftist made people wary. Four years of "spread the wealth around", ows sympathizing, demonizing success, logic has put anger over a desire for acceptance.
and
http://dexeron.livejournal.com/444310.html?thread=1474198#t1474198
I suspect your comment was less than sincere, but I'll explain further.
Warren's viral rant, which King all but parrots in the OP:
“I hear all this, you know, ‘Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever. No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own - nobody.
'You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police-forces and fire-forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory - and hire someone to protect against this - because of the work the rest of us did.
'Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea. God bless - keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is, you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.'"
The two links at bottom expand on the problems with this Marxist rant. I'll cover some highlights.
The opening does not refute the class warfare accusation. It rather transparently distracts from it.
The second paragraph is a ball of lies and insults to intelligence. The rest of us paid for?
1) These evil rich of whom she speaks paid into gov as well, all the way up the line, just like everyone else. They used the resources we all get, but to better purpose.
2) Appr 49% of Americans pay ZERO income tax. How does that work out with "fair share" and the roads, etc. we ALL use? No one can legitimately claim "fair" ANYTHING if half pay ZERO (and often receive money).
3) The factory owner or idea man pays taxes on the factory, hired many workers who can now also pay taxes (but more than half won't pay income tax). They buy products and services that are taxed, and in so doing that employs others who are taxed. Shipped goods that are taxed. On land that is taxed. Used energy that is taxed. That's REAL stimulus, not-Obama-stimulus. Because of that factory or that idea, more taxes come in.
But paragraph 3 is where the true marxist scheming comes out.
She speaks of a social contract. First, it should be noted that a contract is typically entered into by willing parties to be valid. When she says "good for you" and "keep a hunk" she is clearly indicating that a ruling elite is allowing the tax payer to keep their money. If they're allowing it, they think it's their money in the first place.
But that isn't the damning part...
"There is no one in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody." "But part of the underlying social contract is you take a chunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."
Just look at those two items, especially in light of the fact that Democrats always want to expand government. They want government everywhere, touching every aspect of your life, including the air you breathe now. You can't escape them. Then look at that again.
1) To exist in this country government MUST have touched your life. 2) If government touched your life you OWE it (by force). 3) That debt you owe is not to pay for what has come before. You don't just owe what has come before and the monumental debt government has accrued recently. No, you owe government to pay for what you experienced, for whatever debt they choose to accrue now, and as much as they think they need for the future. You are in servitude to Warren in the name of those not born, and they will be born into servitude over this debt and the debt government will create for the next generation after.
Marxist, fascist, socialist, authoritarian, what? When they add "pay it forward" there are no limits. They are saying they own it all, and they will let you have what they decide. You know, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
http://melvin-udall.livejournal.com/1294593.html
http://melvin-udall.livejournal.com/1307531.html
and then to the OP...
http://dexeron.livejournal.com/444310.html?thread=1474454#t1474454
is for you to acknowledge that you couldn’t have made it in America without America
He speaks of it regularly, so this clearly isn't the goal.
That you were fortunate enough to be born in a country where upward mobility is possible
He speaks of it regularly, so this clearly isn't the goal.
(a subject upon which Barack Obama can speak with the authority of experience)
Notice how slips in the cheap class warfare? Adorable. And wouldn't it be nice if we had the slightest idea how Obama rose up?
but where the channels making such upward mobility possible are being increasingly clogged.
IF that's the case the question is why. His "solution" is take more from the rich. This "unclogs" nothing.
That it’s not fair to ask the middle class to assume a disproportionate amount of the tax burden.
Disproportionate is not only a deliberately subjective term, I have NO idea what possible metric he used to get there.
Not fair? It’s un-fucking-American is what it is.
Based on what definition, what reference from history? This is fantasy.
I want you to acknowledge that in America, we all should have to pay our fair share.
Mr. King should expand on this. 49% pay zero income tax. That's their "fair share"? "Fair" is another deliberately subjective term to spark the pavlovian response of sheep. It's meaningless.
That our civics classes never taught us that being American means that-sorry, kiddies-you’re on your own.
Good thing NO ONE suggested anything of the kind. This is cheap and silly. But... speaking of this dope saying what's "UnaAmerican", that WAS the American way for quite a long time, at least as far as government is concerned. CHARITY took care of the needy. But King can't allow that, because charity means religion, a marxist's enemy.
That those who have received much must be obligated to pay
Who the Hell RECEIVED much? King wrote his books. The government didn't GIVE them to him. I agree that what he has produced is worthless, but not so the banker, factory owner, the engineer, the EMPLOYER.
but to pay-in the same proportion
The funny thing about Leftists is that they never, NEVER EVER, come up with a firm answer of what's "fair" or "proportion". The top 1% pay approximately 40% of the income taxes. What's the "fair" amount?
That’s called stepping up and not whining about it. That’s called patriotism
So being American, stepping up and being patriotic is defined as paying until Democrats think you should stop.
Because I've got a LONG list of Democrats who dodge or don't pay taxes that King isn't calling out. Let's start with Ted "tax em" Kennedy's trust fund. No. He's calling out Romney.
Tea Partiers love to throw around
Reemphasizing what a partisan douchenozzle he is.
their beloved rich folks
Yes, the message of the tea party is to protect the rich (when they aren't busy being racist, I guess).
He "weighed in" with all the deep thought of a high school freshman whose civics teacher has a poster of Che on the wall.
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