Chizu revisited

[melengro]

So, a few hours ago, I had a discussion with Maya about Aoi Hana. In this discussion, one interesting thing that we had decided to do was to reopen the topic of Chizu, the character who many of you will remember from my disgusted rant about her and how despicable she is a while back. In this discussion, we discounted a lot of our previous

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[airie_fairy]

"In Frollo’s case, what he fails to understand is the sheer political and spiritual inappropriateness of his attachment"

Not to mention the inappropriateness of the ways he goes about acting on that attachment, which would be just as much so if she were of age and he wasn't a monk (though perhaps if he wasn't a monk he wouldn't be trying to repress himself so much and not...um...explode in the opposite direction quite so much, but the sheer level of what the fuck leads me to think there'd be an element there even so). But I guess what you're focusing on is "lack of understanding" and he, I suppose, does on some level understand that he's doing Wrong Things by any standard.

He may be/is a more pitiful character in the book, but in terms of action the sheer number and extremity of the things he does are so...much that the Disney interpretation doesn't look like a far stretch in the end.

Sorry, I can only answer from the angle of what I know, and while I don't know Aoi Hana, I've recently been listening to Hellfire a whole lot and greatly enjoying taunting my friends by periodically shouting at them "FROLLO JUST WANTS TO LOVE YOU."

[melengro]

Keep in mind, please, I am not trying to justify either character here, but rather to explain. Frollo is...Frollo, and Chizu repeatedly raped a child into emotional dependence, then when said child grew up fed her a line of bullshit excuses for having done so. So, no argument from me about the actual nature of the acts that either character performs. I'm analysing them in the terms of their own fucked-up psyches here. Chizu, much like Frollo, to an extent (albeit a way-too-small one) understood that was she was doing was wrong, she just either thought that the rules didn't apply to her for some dumb reason or assumed that the situation somehow wouldn't catch up to her and thus she didn't have to care too much. My previous Chizu post goes into how I myself feel about her (hint: INTENSELY NEGATIVE OPINION), but what Maya and I were discussing was, or was at least trying to be, more dispassionate as critical analysis. Neither of us are Hugo scholars but this was the closest example in 'received world literature' if you will to the sort of personality that we were attributing to Chizu.

[airie_fairy]

Hey, I'm just jumping on a chance to talk about Frollo Being Frollo here -- he's morbidly entertaining that way -- and found a comment to elaborate on; otherwise it'd just be a lot of nodding, 'cause based on your last Chizu post, I think it's a good comparison.