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Sep 06, 2006 12:05


There are always these two episodes of ER that always make me bawl.  And it never matters how many times I see it, I always cry when I watch them.  And I've seen them both at least 3 or 4 times, because ER repeats every weekday on TNT and I watch it.

One of those episodes was on this morning, and without fail, I cried.  Doctor Who, as heartbreaking ( Read more... )

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nina_ds September 6 2006, 16:54:01 UTC
I know - I think those two episodes of ER around Lucy & Carter's stabbing are the second best (the first-season episode "Love's Labor's Lost" is probably the best) - and so many of my favourite fandom moments/interests run through here, too.

As painful as it is, I love that it takes Lucy so long to die. I don't mean that in a cruel way, I mean that it seems realistic. The thing that always kills me is that she knows what's wrong with her. The only other TV death that out-angsts this one (just a smidge) is Bilborough's in Cracker for the same reasons - these characters that we love die in some senseless stabbing and slowly slip away before our eyes, even as everyone else is trying so hard to save them. And, on a totally different tack, this performance on ER was the moment I realized that David Krumholtz had well and truly grown up; he was so believably slipping away, and that scream when they do the spinal tap is heartbreaking (it took me watching a second time to realize why Paul stabbed them - they hurt him). Another comparison to ( ... )

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meganlynn09 September 6 2006, 17:02:32 UTC
Yeah, I think both episodes are well done. I've yet to really see early seasons. And you can't even hate the guy that stabbed them.

he was so believably slipping away, and that scream when they do the spinal tap is heartbreaking (it took me watching a second time to realize why Paul stabbed them - they hurt him

That's what my mom was telling me, they stabbed him and then he was yelling about protecting his organs. It was sad to watch.

David Krumholtz didn't even remind of the boy that I watched as the funny kid and goofy kid in a couple 90's movies. He just did so well here.

I think both ER and DW haven't so much jumped the shark as fallen into the pool with them.

I don't think DW has fallen the way ER has, but ER just had the problem that when they brought in new characters, they didn't give them the treatment they gave to other characters, like Lucy and Carter and others like them. The only characters I even remotely still care about are Abby and Luka. I don't think ER can really surface again.

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nina_ds September 6 2006, 17:19:15 UTC
That's what my mom was telling me, they stabbed him and then he was yelling about protecting his organs. It was sad to watch.

Yeah, I was so emotional the first time, I didn't catch it! But I love an actor who can descend into madness and make it smooth and believable (my first sighting of CE was Shallow Grave, so, yeah, consistent there!). Have you ever seen DK's Law & Order episode, the one about the troubled boy who was then abused by his psychiatrist, who was shot on a Jerry Springer-type show? He was fifteen, looked twelve, and was just astonishing. But Paul Sobriki still surprised me ( ... )

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meganlynn09 September 6 2006, 20:32:35 UTC
When I first watched the episodes, it was on the first run, and I was pretty young, I didn't catch on to it. But after seeing it a couple times, I get it now. It just doesn't make it any easier.

I haven't caught much Law & Order, in fact the few I have seem to be the same ones.

I love Luka and Abby, because the actors are so good (my favourite Luka moment - doing Hamlet in Croatian)

That's why I love them too, and both characters have come so far and they have something to show for it. It's funny that that's your favorite moment for Luka, that happens in my favorite episode.

Yeah, I finished that story. It just so disappointed me that Nine regenerated and it took a lot of my enjoyment away. And I think what it has to do is what you said, he's the same and he's not. But the thing is, the only thing that remains the same is his memory and some of his feelings. He really is a new man, that's one of the things in TCI, what sort of man is he now, because he's changed. You really can't hold Ten responsible for Nine's actions ( ... )

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nina_ds September 8 2006, 03:45:25 UTC
I haven't caught much Law & Order, in fact the few I have seem to be the same ones.

Ha ha, I know what you mean. Isn't it weird? Here's a show that's been running for freakin' ever, repeats all the time, and you keep catching the same eps? Surely there's some statistic equation related to chaos theory that could explain it.

It's funny that that's your favorite moment for Luka, that happens in my favorite episode.

That's definitely my favourite of the later seasons. Goran Visjnic is an amazing actor, and great screen presence. I remember him in the Madonna video - there's such a difference between an actor and a model in a music video. CE in the I Am Kloot, Alan Rickman in "In Demand", Gina Gershon in that Lenny Kravitz video I can never remember the name of...

It just so disappointed me that Nine regenerated and it took a lot of my enjoyment away. Sigh. I know. I feel like I want to tell her, not because I want to hurt her feelings, but because I genuinely don't think the characters would behave that way. I don't think Nine ( ... )

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meganlynn09 September 8 2006, 04:02:44 UTC
Goran Visjnic is an amazing actor, and great screen presence.He really is, and I love what he does as Luka. I mean, look at some of the things he done (the character), I have every right to hate him, how he treated Abby when they first broke up, how he hit on Abby when she was with Carter, how quickly they were together after Sam, and yet he's able to create this real character that I feel for and I just love him ( ... )

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nina_ds September 8 2006, 04:58:09 UTC
Yeah, I agree that in the hands of another actor, Luka could be a really unpleasant character. Instead, you always feel the loss that he carries that makes him that way - and I don't think they've mentioned it for years! I just realized, writing that, how similar GV and CE are in that way; they have the ability to convey pain even through other emotions. GV is a bit more kicked-puppy, and he's not as subtle, but it's not a trait everyone has.

And the Abby/Carter thing? I remember thinking, WTF? Why are they breaking up? Evidently, because the writers thought so. Stupid, stupid. It actually didn't make sense. I don't even remember the details, I just remember the ??? feeling. A familiar one, alas.

I find it funny that people keep calling Ten the alien slut, when clearly that title belongs to Nine.I know! There's really no competition. And you left out Jackie ("There's a strange man in my room, anything could happen.") and Harriet ("I think I like you." "I like you, too." Big grins in the middle of an alien invasion.). I still ( ... )

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meganlynn09 September 8 2006, 16:01:40 UTC
Yeah, they really messed up the Abby/Carter breakup, if it wasn't so WTF? If they had made it make sense in terms of these characters just really shouldn't be together, I would have been okay, but they didn't. They botched it and I'm still so bitter about it.

And you left out Jackie ("There's a strange man in my room, anything could happen.") and Harriet ("I think I like you." "I like you, too." Big grins in the middle of an alien invasion.)

I forgot about Jackie, how I don't know when that scene always cracks me up, and I remembered Harriet but I didn't count her for some reason.

I just re-watched "The Christmas Invasion" today to get caps for icons, and I think I hate Ten a little right now.

Have you read the recent Nine/Jackie story on Teaspoon? It's...not what you think, but I quite liked it.No, but I'll definitely check it out ( ... )

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nina_ds September 10 2006, 21:13:47 UTC
I just re-watched "The Christmas Invasion" today to get caps for icons, and I think I hate Ten a little right now.

I have seen so many people say that they like that the Doctor undermined Harriet. I just don't get it. Yes, you can have characters disagree about ambiguous things like that (was she right to do it? not exactly, but then I would argue she was more right than letting them go to come back with reinforcements - it's not black and white). But what ticked me off was that the Doctor was fuming about shooting someone in the back, and then proceeded to do JUST THAT! It's his hypocrisy more than anything else that I find so damned irritating. Was Nine wrong to give into the Gelth? Absolutely. Was he being hypocritical? Not in a million years. He was being too trusting, and short of sheer stupidity, I always have more sympathy for that ( ... )

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meganlynn09 September 10 2006, 21:47:14 UTC
I have seen so many people say that they like that the Doctor undermined Harriet.

Really? Because his enemy just did the same thing to him and he took them out. He gave the guy a chance, when his back was turned the alien came at him, and the Doctor took him out, "No second chances", isn't the the stance that Harriet just took? Maybe it's not the best tactic to do it to a retreating enemy, but when it comes to protecting your country against a force like that, you really can't rely on some alien that's not there all the time to protect you. You have to make a stand. Sounds familiar.

DT, on the other hand - and I think this is why he bugs me - seems to make it all about his performance

He was his best, IMHO, in "School Reunion" with Sarah Jane. He seemed very natural in his scenes with her, especially in the diner while he was patching up K9 and when he said goodbye. He was also very good with ASH in the pool scene. It's funny, where his character seems the most selfish, DT does his best, it seems to me ( ... )

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