What we talk about when we talk about pockets
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I have resolved to, as much as possible, never buy pants, shorts, or sweat bottoms again unless they have pockets, and to make a point to every salesperson I speak to about clothing, and every friend who brings up the topic of clothing, that women's garments need to come with functional pockets.
Originally posted by von_krag at What we talk about when we talk about pockets
Originally posted by lynnal at What we talk about when we talk about pockets
I am reposting this because Kyle is very coherently discussing an issue that has driven me mad for years. I have a pair of otherwise perfectly decent slacks which I received as a gift that I am going to return because they have no pockets. If anyone knows of a good online source for women's professional clothes with pockets, please comment here.
Originally posted by kylecassidyat What we talk about when we talk about pockets
This post is about pockets, feminism, design, autonomy and common sense. Please feel free to repost or link to it if you know people who'd benefit from the discussion.
A few weeks ago trillian_stars and I were out somewhere and she asked "Oooh, can I get a cup of coffee?" and I thought "why are you asking me? You don't need permission." But what I discovered was that her clothes had no pockets, so she had no money with her.
Mens clothes have pockets. My swimsuits have pockets. All of them do, and it's not unusual, because, what if you're swimming in the ocean and you find a fist full of pirate booty in the surf? You need somewhere to put it. Men are used to carrying stuff in their pockets, you put money there, you put car keys there. With money and car keys come power and independence. You can buy stuff, you can leave. The idea of some women's clothes not having pockets is baffling, but it's worse than that -- it's patriarchal because it makes the assumption that women will either carry a handbag, or they'll rely on men around them for money and keys and such things. (I noticed this also when Neil & Amanda were figuring out where her stuff had to go because she had no pockets.) Where do women carry tampons? Amanda wondered, In their boyfriend's pockets, Neil concluded.
I then noticed that none of trillian_stars' running clothes had pockets. Any pockets. Which is (as they always say on "Parking Wars") ridikulus. Who leaves the house with nothing? (It's not a rhetorical question, I actually can't think of anybody).
We fixed some of this by getting this runners wrist wallet from Poutfits on Etsy -- it holds money, ID, keys ... the sort of stuff you'd need. Plus you can wipe your nose on it. It solves the running-wear problem, but not the bigger problem.
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The bigger problem is that people who design women's fashions are still designing pants and jackets that have no pockets. In fact, this jacket we got last December has ... no pockets. It's not a question of lines or shape, it's a question of autonomy.
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So I'm asking my friends who design women's clothes to consider putting pockets in them, they can be small, they can be out of the way, they can be inside the garment, but space enough to put ID, and cash and bus tokens. And maybe a phone. (And if you can design a surreptitious tampon stash, I'm sure Neil & Amanda & a lot of other people would appreciate it as well.)
Means2bhuman comments: As someone who used to be a fashion design major, I totally back this up. There are too many unserved markets for women. I gotta ask fashion designers and marketers - why would you take the ability to be a consumer, to pay for things, from your biggest costumer by not giving them pockets to carry cash and cards in? Are you worried we'll look "fat" if we have pockets? Let us deal with that. We're grown-up girls. I'd rather not lug my huge purse around for my tampons and loose change because, (and I'm not) sorry, I don't have a boyfriend to carry that stuff for me. And would any boyfriend want to be my designated item-carrier? Heck no they don't. I wear jackets with pockets even around the house to carry things in but that gets annoying in the summer, so I switch to vests sometimes (which I hate doing).
I have resolved to, as much as possible, never buy pants, shorts, or sweat bottoms again unless they have pockets, and to make a point to every salesperson I speak to about clothing, and every friend who brings up the topic of clothing, that women's garments need to come with functional pockets.
Originally posted by von_krag at What we talk about when we talk about pockets
Originally posted by lynnal at What we talk about when we talk about pockets
I am reposting this because Kyle is very coherently discussing an issue that has driven me mad for years. I have a pair of otherwise perfectly decent slacks which I received as a gift that I am going to return because they have no pockets. If anyone knows of a good online source for women's professional clothes with pockets, please comment here.
Originally posted by kylecassidyat What we talk about when we talk about pockets
This post is about pockets, feminism, design, autonomy and common sense. Please feel free to repost or link to it if you know people who'd benefit from the discussion.
A few weeks ago trillian_stars and I were out somewhere and she asked "Oooh, can I get a cup of coffee?" and I thought "why are you asking me? You don't need permission." But what I discovered was that her clothes had no pockets, so she had no money with her.
Mens clothes have pockets. My swimsuits have pockets. All of them do, and it's not unusual, because, what if you're swimming in the ocean and you find a fist full of pirate booty in the surf? You need somewhere to put it. Men are used to carrying stuff in their pockets, you put money there, you put car keys there. With money and car keys come power and independence. You can buy stuff, you can leave. The idea of some women's clothes not having pockets is baffling, but it's worse than that -- it's patriarchal because it makes the assumption that women will either carry a handbag, or they'll rely on men around them for money and keys and such things. (I noticed this also when Neil & Amanda were figuring out where her stuff had to go because she had no pockets.) Where do women carry tampons? Amanda wondered, In their boyfriend's pockets, Neil concluded.
I then noticed that none of trillian_stars' running clothes had pockets. Any pockets. Which is (as they always say on "Parking Wars") ridikulus. Who leaves the house with nothing? (It's not a rhetorical question, I actually can't think of anybody).
We fixed some of this by getting this runners wrist wallet from Poutfits on Etsy -- it holds money, ID, keys ... the sort of stuff you'd need. Plus you can wipe your nose on it. It solves the running-wear problem, but not the bigger problem.
Clickenzee to Embiggen!
The bigger problem is that people who design women's fashions are still designing pants and jackets that have no pockets. In fact, this jacket we got last December has ... no pockets. It's not a question of lines or shape, it's a question of autonomy.
Clickenzee to Embiggen
So I'm asking my friends who design women's clothes to consider putting pockets in them, they can be small, they can be out of the way, they can be inside the garment, but space enough to put ID, and cash and bus tokens. And maybe a phone. (And if you can design a surreptitious tampon stash, I'm sure Neil & Amanda & a lot of other people would appreciate it as well.)
Means2bhuman comments: As someone who used to be a fashion design major, I totally back this up. There are too many unserved markets for women. I gotta ask fashion designers and marketers - why would you take the ability to be a consumer, to pay for things, from your biggest costumer by not giving them pockets to carry cash and cards in? Are you worried we'll look "fat" if we have pockets? Let us deal with that. We're grown-up girls. I'd rather not lug my huge purse around for my tampons and loose change because, (and I'm not) sorry, I don't have a boyfriend to carry that stuff for me. And would any boyfriend want to be my designated item-carrier? Heck no they don't. I wear jackets with pockets even around the house to carry things in but that gets annoying in the summer, so I switch to vests sometimes (which I hate doing).