BTVS Episode Poll: 6.11 Gone

Apr 27, 2013 07:26

Here we are, at the halfway point of season 6, with Gone! (Otherwise known as, the episode where you let your star take a vacation...)

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mcjulie April 27 2013, 15:17:28 UTC
1. Ultimately, I went with hilarious, although I almost clicked on "intolerant bigot." I kinda love the opening scene, the way Spike tries to be all helpful and makes everything worse. But the vibe coming from Mrs. Keller is, "you're all a bunch of weirdos, there's no way you could be providing a good home for Dawn ( ... )

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red_satin_doll May 6 2013, 19:11:40 UTC
It's not life per se that she dreads, so much as her life, and what it has come to mean.

EXACTLY. She "wants the fire back", "I just wanna feel"; she tries to connect with Spike in a meaningful way, as well as turn to him as a "release value" of sorts. Those aren't the words and actions of a person who WANTS to die.

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kikimay April 27 2013, 15:42:12 UTC
1. It's funny but Buffy goes over the top there. The poor woman thought that she was going crazy. Bad Buffy ( ... )

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mcjulie April 27 2013, 19:39:32 UTC
I have some issues with Xander, I'm sorry but it's true. Like when he says to Dawn that he sees everything because no one sees him.

It's true, he seems less consistently written than either Buffy or Willow. It might be because his role is almost defined that way -- Buffy is the heroic leader, Willow is the brainy second, and Xander is the other one. He's the Ron Weasley. But being "the other one" means it feels like sometimes he gets characteristics pushed onto him as a catch-all. (Although, mostly, that seemed worse in earlier seasons.)

I'm willing to buy his role as heart of the group -- emotion and strong loyalty do seem like pretty consistent character traits for him. But anything about perceptiveness ? Please. That's Spike's role.

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red_satin_doll May 6 2013, 19:06:32 UTC
I'm willing to buy his role as heart of the group -- emotion and strong loyalty do seem like pretty consistent character traits for him. But anything about perceptiveness ? Please. That's Spike's role.

Everyone on this show is a pretty unreliable narrator especially when it comes to themselves anyway. And Xander has always been insecure (secure people don't need to be jealous or police other people's - Buffy's - love lives); so he's got a lot of ways to mask or cope with that - play up to the insecurity (poor me, no one notices me), exaggerate your confidence or your better qualities (fake it 'til you make it) while simultaneously falling down in those same areas, etc.

Actually all of the men on the show are extremely insecure about themselves and their identify, as much if not more so than the women.

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relurker April 29 2013, 14:43:13 UTC
You make a series of very good points about Xander!

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pocochina April 27 2013, 16:41:41 UTC
1. Doris Keller is a judgmental asshole about Buffy living with another woman* but she was generally doing her job in looking after Dawn's well-being. Buffy's slightly sadistic reaction to this (she could've just changed Dawn's file and been done with it) strikes me at least in part as a reaction to a hit where she's insecure.

*This also always struck me as weird on top of immoral; does anyone not expect someone in her early 20s to live with a roommate?

7. I think it's the start of an uptick, certainly, but I'm not sure there's ever one single turning point on something like this.

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mcjulie April 27 2013, 19:45:16 UTC
does anyone not expect someone in her early 20s to live with a roommate?

Or not to have a boyfriend who sometimes sleeps over, for that matter. But that scene has always struck me as if Doris goes in having already made up her mind that Buffy is an unfit guardian, and so every little thing she observes seems to reinforce that and every comment she makes is tinged with disapproval. Which is one thing when it's observing that Dawn is late, and quite another when asking if Buffy lives with another woman.

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red_satin_doll May 8 2013, 18:13:58 UTC
I still meet people who are weirded out by the fact that my partner of 17 years is a woman. Weird and stupid? Sure. Unexpected? Well, it's getting better overall ( ... )

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mcjulie May 8 2013, 18:41:52 UTC
Buffy's slightly sadistic reaction
don't attack someone who is doing her job, address the systemI suppose I see Doris Keller a bit differently -- as a petty tyrant, the sort of person who doesn't have much power, but takes a sadistic delight in exercising the power she does have. I've encountered a lot of people like that in bureaucratic positions over the years -- the person who tells you that you failed your driving test or you bounced a check or the thing you want is sold out or you can't do that here or you filled this out wrong or the rules don't allow that, and they obviously get a nasty little satisfaction from their power to make you unhappy. Institutional trolls, maybe ( ... )

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rebcake April 27 2013, 18:58:58 UTC
Hidden bonus question: Xander's middle name is Lavelle. Clueless is more of a nickname. ;-)

P.S. This wasn't one of your poll questions, but I just wanna say that this is the episode when Buffy's (long) wig is the wiggiest ever. *shudder*

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mcjulie April 27 2013, 19:48:10 UTC
Lavelle! Thank you! I thought we learned his middle name at one point.

That wig is SUCH a wig. It makes her look like a Brady Bunch guest star. Bonus features somewhere on there talk about how the whole haircut thing was because the actress cut her hair, so they were scrambling to catch up.

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molly_may April 27 2013, 19:29:02 UTC
I'm one of those who is not a big fan of this episode. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what doesn't work for me, but a lot of it comes down to the pacing. There's no tension in the episode, it just kind of meanders around until it's time for it to be over.

I also don't like how at the beginning of the episode, Buffy is saying how she's a terrible friend for not noticing that Willow was "drowning", but at the end, when Buffy confides to Willow that until recently, she wanted to die, Willow doesn't react at all, much less suggest that she should have noticed how much Buffy was struggling. I don't know, I just found it to be an unsettling way to depict their friendship.

I have a hard time buying that Buffy has turned a corner emotionally - she doesn't seem significantly happier or more at peace in Doublemeat Palace, Dead Things, or AYW.

On the plus side, I DO think her hair is adorable!

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mcjulie April 27 2013, 20:04:50 UTC
I also don't like how at the beginning of the episode, Buffy is saying how she's a terrible friend for not noticing that Willow was "drowning"

I don't like that either, actually. It seems like it might be another artifact of Willow's race to the bottom being dramatically sped up -- it's the kind of sentiment that might make sense a few episodes from now, but we're too soon after the peak of dealing with Buffy's own pain.

at the end, when Buffy confides to Willow that until recently, she wanted to die, Willow doesn't react at all

I've always interpreted that a lot more positively -- as Willow just accepting what Buffy has to tell her, instead of jumping in to try to fix it.

she doesn't seem significantly happier or more at peace in Doublemeat Palace, Dead Things, or AYW

Not exactly. But I do think she's turned a corner -- one which can be very important -- I think she's gone from "why the hell do I feel like this?" to "I think I'm kinda depressed."

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