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Apr 10, 2009 00:53

For the past few days at work I have had so many customers wish me a "Happy Easter" before they leave. Now, I know they are being nice. As I work at a small, family owned operation, our interactions with our customers are a bit more one-on-one and involved than what you normally get at the big time places ( Read more... )

blathering about nothing, really pathetic whinging, work shenanigans

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hab318princess April 10 2009, 09:43:21 UTC
As one who believes that Easter is important and that Christ rose BUT who also respects your right to believe something different I'd like to make a distinction here: There's the cultural fact that the Western World is christianised, for want of a better word, and wishing a happy Easter is part of that culture, your customer doesn't know that you don't fit the bill or don't share that belief. They will therefore act in a cultural way - most are not believers either.

and I hope I've never vilified anyone who doesn't believe the same - disagree yes, try to tell them why I disagree yes, but vilify - no! and if I'm pompous, please tell me

but just as an explanation: the Bible says that Jesus is the only way, which automatically says that other ways are not valid - HOWEVER, I think it's even more important how you share that, because at the end of the day I respect your right to disagree with me, in the same way I hope you respect my belief in this God

*hugs*

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maverick0324 April 10 2009, 13:08:33 UTC
Yeah, I'm not going to jump on you for your religion, sorry if you thought that. :) I don't mind disagree, I'll admit there are times myself where I act superior and pompous and have to have a friend smack me and knock me down a peg or too... But moving on.

Culturally yes the world is "christian" but I think, as obviously a very devout believer yourself, that there is a disconnect between those that actually follow the religion and those that just say their christian and have it not mean anything.

As I mentioned above, this post is really more venting at my parents (heh) I'm certainly not going to yell at someone for disagreeing with me when I complain about not being able to disagree with them, I just wish that abstaining from religion or practicing something like paganism was not looked at as if the practitioners are moral-less and bad. And this feeling tends to get more fervent around cultural christian holidays. :)

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hab318princess April 10 2009, 13:23:47 UTC
No worries, I got the distinction...

I wasn't always a believer, my family still does not think God exists, so I've seen both sides and understand both (I hope)

The one distinction I'd like to make is between Faith and Religion - one is a personal relationship and hopefully people oriented (as I see myself) and the other is something you practice with rules to follow to appease someone (hope that makes sense)

And morals, that is a mine field as it can be so personal, i.e. I'm a born again believer writing Janto Slash - many will say that I'm crossing into immoral territory there

*hugs* (and sorry for ranting)

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maverick0324 April 10 2009, 13:30:24 UTC
Hey no problem for ranting, I was as well. I'm personally of the "Live and Let Live" category of people. I mean, I grew up in a very christian conservative home and some how of ended up on the far side of the religious spectrum so I know all the basics of Christianity and such. Went to that whole christian private school thing...

I agree with your distinction between faith and religion, one that I don't think many who ARE religious probably get.

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hab318princess April 10 2009, 13:39:02 UTC
ah, I went the other way, from not believing to believing... and live and let live is ok, if it's meant - my family tell me that but then are totally against me teaching my son to have a relationship with Jesus

your last line is very perceptive and I think that's so true...

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maverick0324 April 10 2009, 13:43:35 UTC
For the most part I try to stay live and let live. There are times I feel all "OMG NO YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!" to some people but I have to remind myself that I don't want THEM doing/saying that to me and so they wouldn't like it back either. So its incredibly difficult to actually adhere to but I try.

Yeah, my parents tell me that too and get upset when I am totally against/disbelieving any sort of organised religion that society offers.

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hab318princess April 10 2009, 13:49:38 UTC
hey, it's ok, I think this whole conversation started with me disagreeing with you...(but I hope I at least didn't shout)

faith should be individual (and though a church is part of that faith eventually - group support for want of a better word) Jesus is an individual God, not a one size fits all :) same with churches - I went to one 20 years ago I would not feel comfortable with today as I've changed / developed

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maverick0324 April 10 2009, 13:52:44 UTC
No, no, you didn't shout. I have no issues with people that disagree with me. I would be a very boring person if I refused to associate with anyone that disagreed with me.

I really should try to have more of these discussions on my post as they serve to help remind me that I can't be pushy with my own beliefs either.

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hab318princess April 10 2009, 14:07:45 UTC
You know, there's nothing wrong with sharing your belief - I mean, according to the Bible I'm to go out there and make more disciples and if you believe in something good and want that same good for others, then that is what you do - I think that's part of what started me responding to your post

it's called being a witness - it's up to the other person to judge, I can only tell you what I've experienced (like in court) but I'm not the one judging

Does that make sense?

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maverick0324 April 10 2009, 14:12:20 UTC
It makes sense, but I can get huffy at people when they stop me in the parking lot as I'm trying to get to my car to tell me about the awesome wonderousness of jesus (not saying you would do this, just had this happen to me the other day).

It's natural for when you believe strongly in something that you want to share these beliefs, it gets even more compounded when, apparently the religion tells you to do just that. I think there is a fine line to witnessing and it can be hard to do without annoying the other person.

Which, let me clarify, you did not. :) Just wanted to clear that up.

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hab318princess April 10 2009, 14:24:30 UTC
a) thanks and feel free to tell me if I get too preachy...
b) I shut the door in the face of Mormon's yesterday - I've got a faith, thank you - and doing that kind of things would be my worst nightmare
c) trust me I don't always do what they tell me ;), in this case I just happen to believe that Jesus is worth sharing - but in love,not in a threatening / talking down to you kind of way

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