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style92 June 26 2007, 21:37:57 UTC
*Raises hand*

Um, you're FAR from the only one to not like the special editions. ALMOST ALL SW fans hate them. Me, I'm indifferent to the episode 4 and 6 specials, but they really screwed up Empire Strikes Back! breaks my heart. On that one, I stick only to the original. (Actually, the 1997 special of Empire wasn't so bad but the 2004 version really screwed it up!

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mattzimmer June 26 2007, 23:35:23 UTC
In what way? I think the 2004 Return of the Jedi is the worst because they swapped Sabastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen at the end. Drives me nuts.

I haven't gotten to the Special Edition of Empire yet but I'm curious to hear why you think it's bad.

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style92 June 27 2007, 00:51:33 UTC
Two things, really:

-they redubbed Boba Fett, using the actor who played Jango Fett in Attack of the Clones. Logical, and most fans give it a pass cause it's a stronger continuity tie. However, his performance is not nearly as good as the original, so the swapped voice bugs me.

-Added lines to the Darth Vader and Emperor conversation. It makes it sound like Vader didn't know luke was his son until that moment of the movie, which makes all the movie up to that point not make sense. Though, I think most fans are misinterpreting those lines, and Vader knew all along, but it doesn't help that most people think that's what the movie means now.

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style92 June 27 2007, 00:54:38 UTC
As for the Hayden Christainsen swap out- Well, maybe it's just because I wasn't alive in '83, but that one doesn't bother me, and I can defend it as making sense for a certain reason: If you watch all six, from I-VI, it's more satisfying to see the Anakin you know make his come back. Plus, now that the originals are on DVD, it makes the changes acceptable. The Special Editions are the ones designed to groove better with the Prequals.

I know, that same arguement can be used on Empire, but eh. I'm petty.

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mattzimmer June 27 2007, 01:05:24 UTC
It bugged me so much because Jedi was the first Star Wars movie I had ever seen and I saw it in the theater in '84. I was a little kid and the movie blew my socks off and was the coolest thing ever (at least until Back to the Future the following year). I had no problems with the 1997 special edition but replacing Shaw was heresy to me. He WAS Anakin Skywalker more than some annoying emo teenager.

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style92 June 27 2007, 01:08:08 UTC
I do have to say matt, I'm impressed you are keeping your promise to get the original version DVDs. I sort of made a similar promise, where I said that if the Star Trek sets were $50 instead of $100, I'd get all of them. Well, they are now and I haven't. I still only have a couple of TNG and DS9 season 3-7.

Ehh, that's most of the good stuff anyway.

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mattzimmer June 27 2007, 01:36:43 UTC
Yeah, I got all three. I also recently ordered the second season of DS9 off of Amazon and am currently about a third of the way through it. Fifty dollars is STILL a lot of money to me so I can only get each season gradually. But that just makes me appreciate it more on those rare months when I can afford it. :D

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mattzimmer June 27 2007, 01:06:44 UTC
Ah, now I'm scared to watch the Special Edition. I'll probably get to it later next week.

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90scartoonman June 27 2007, 02:17:42 UTC
...Sabastian Shaw?

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style92 June 27 2007, 02:42:26 UTC
The original actor who played unmasked Vader and Ghost Anakin in Return of the Jedi. In the Special Edition, he's still unmasked Vader, but they replaced him with Hayden Christenson for Ghost Anakin.

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mattzimmer June 27 2007, 11:44:20 UTC
That drove me nuts.

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90scartoonman June 28 2007, 03:20:50 UTC
But his name is seriously Sabastian Shaw?

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mattzimmer June 28 2007, 11:17:00 UTC
Actually I think I may have misspelled his name. I think it may be Sebastian Shaw with an "e".

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90scartoonman June 29 2007, 03:29:11 UTC
Which makes it even funnier.

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mattzimmer June 29 2007, 14:55:41 UTC
Under Da Sea...

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mattzimmer June 27 2007, 11:45:52 UTC
Like Style said he was the original Anakin. Seeing him at the end with Yoda and Obi-Wan was one of the highlights of the movie.

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